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> Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too. Historica

by Lazare 10y ago

> Seems lots of JIRA-haters in the comments Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too. Historically there's something of a track record where Atlassian is the place where interesting, innovative products go to stagnate. Bug fixes happen glacially (a 1 year turnaround seems to be standard), and new feature development doesn't happen at all. Running Hipchat is like looking through a window back at 2012. > Very happy for the folks at Trello. Great outcome for a great tool. Great outcome for a great team? Perhaps. But I don't really see how this benefits the tool, nor the people who use the tool, because I (and a lot of other people here) are assuming, with reason, that this deal heralds the end of further development of Trello.

siggypop 10y ago
That was my first thought too. Jira has Kanban so there's little point for them to improve Trello if they can convert people to Jira.
- monknomo 10y ago
  Trello is more than Kanban. I would imagine their strategy is to use Trello as a beachhead to get less technical teams into using their expanded suite of tools
edwinnathaniel 10y ago
Do you think the reverse would be true? If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Or perhaps the group behind those products reflected their growth today? Do you think it is because Atlassian's management or because local's management? Say if Atlassian hold to their words: "we leave them alone". Or perhaps the issue is Money+Motivation than anything else? Exit => rich => decrease in Drive.
- hobarrera 10y ago
  > If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? It can't compete now anyway. > If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Hipchat is not even close to being a serious contender for Slack.
- Lazare 10y ago
  > If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? We can debate counterfactuals all day, but the potential was absolutely there. Consider: Hipchat was purchased by Atlassian before Slack even launched. (Slack launched August 2013; Hipchat purchased March 2012.) And back in 2012 Hipchat was almost exactly what it is today: A functional chat app with searchable logs, native clients for many platforms, a somewhat clunky UI, and some persistent issues with syncing and reliability. Further, when Slack launched, it wasn't nearly as good as it is now: They've made significant improvements over the years. Back in 2013 the Hipchat/Slack race was still pretty close, and that's after Hipchat had spent the last year doing nothing. Slack launched into an opening that Hipchat created by stagnating. It's not that Hipchat could have potentially competed with Slack; it's that Hipchat could have easily crushed Slack. Slack exists now because they built the stuff that Hipchat didn't.
  - edwinnathaniel 10y ago
    I think you miss my point/question. Have we ever looked the discussion from a different perspective? This is fact: Atlassian tend to leave the acquired product alone. This is question: These products that Atlassian left alone, why are they not growing according to (_yours_ assumed) potential? Have we ever asked that perhaps the people behind Hipchat maxed out their potential? Or perhaps the drive is not there anymore? What I'm asking is this: Did Atlassian do something destructive after they acquire the company? or perhaps the acquired company just simply can't live up to their potential (for any reasons except Atlassian pushing their management to the acquired company).

by Lazare 10y ago

siggypop 10y ago

That was my first thought too. Jira has Kanban so there's little point for them to improve Trello if they can convert people to Jira.

monknomo 10y ago
Trello is more than Kanban. I would imagine their strategy is to use Trello as a beachhead to get less technical teams into using their expanded suite of tools

edwinnathaniel 10y ago

Do you think the reverse would be true? If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Or perhaps the group behind those products reflected their growth today? Do you think it is because Atlassian's management or because local's management? Say if Atlassian hold to their words: "we leave them alone". Or perhaps the issue is Money+Motivation than anything else? Exit => rich => decrease in Drive.

hobarrera 10y ago
> If Bitbucket was not bought by Atlassian, it will be able to grow and compete with Github/Gitlab? It can't compete now anyway. > If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? Hipchat is not even close to being a serious contender for Slack.
Lazare 10y ago
> If Hipchat was not bought by Atlassian, it will be a serious contender for Slack? We can debate counterfactuals all day, but the potential was absolutely there. Consider: Hipchat was purchased by Atlassian before Slack even launched. (Slack launched August 2013; Hipchat purchased March 2012.) And back in 2012 Hipchat was almost exactly what it is today: A functional chat app with searchable logs, native clients for many platforms, a somewhat clunky UI, and some persistent issues with syncing and reliability. Further, when Slack launched, it wasn't nearly as good as it is now: They've made significant improvements over the years. Back in 2013 the Hipchat/Slack race was still pretty close, and that's after Hipchat had spent the last year doing nothing. Slack launched into an opening that Hipchat created by stagnating. It's not that Hipchat could have potentially competed with Slack; it's that Hipchat could have easily crushed Slack. Slack exists now because they built the stuff that Hipchat didn't.
- edwinnathaniel 10y ago
  I think you miss my point/question. Have we ever looked the discussion from a different perspective? This is fact: Atlassian tend to leave the acquired product alone. This is question: These products that Atlassian left alone, why are they not growing according to (_yours_ assumed) potential? Have we ever asked that perhaps the people behind Hipchat maxed out their potential? Or perhaps the drive is not there anymore? What I'm asking is this: Did Atlassian do something destructive after they acquire the company? or perhaps the acquired company just simply can't live up to their potential (for any reasons except Atlassian pushing their management to the acquired company).