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I'm a big fan of Trello but I dread using Atlassian products. I do not have a good feeling about this. Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so

I'm a big fan of Trello but I dread using Atlassian products. I do not have a good feeling about this. Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so wonderful instead of JIRA-ifying it into oblivion.

colinbartlett 10y ago
I feel the same, but I also think that the products and ecosystems are so different that there's hope they might keep them separated.
vidarh 10y ago
Same here. I love Trello for its simplicity, and lack of simplicity is exactly why I avoid Atlassian services...
LoSboccacc 10y ago
prepare for epic cards made of sub-cards and card tasks, all in the name of Agility of course.
chrisan 10y ago
Trello is a JIRA competitor based on providing simplicity to task boards. Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. From their blog post on the subject https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ they seem to acknowledge this I happen to use, and like, both products. JIRA at work (where I want a lot of the features) and Trello for personal/small group projects and even family/household stuff where I just need _simple_
- wattt 10y ago
  They will JIRA-fy it or kill it. I use JIRA and pay for it, it is hell on earth for teams of 2-5. We looked into switching to trello to reduce overhead but... It cost more for less features. So we stayed with JIRA. They will kill trello so everyone is stuck with JIRA. Someone please make a trello clone with reasonable pricing, now!
  - matthewmacleod 10y ago
    Trello was ridiculously cheap. I think you're totally out of luck if you expect anybody to make a clone that's cheaper.
    - BillinghamJ 10y ago
      $10/user/mo for Trello seems pretty expensive to me. It's a very basic product.
      - johnward 10y ago
        They don't care about selling it to you though when they can sell it to the IBMs. To be fair we probably own licenses to everything. I know we have used github enterprise on the watson side.
      - awj 10y ago
        ...it should only need to save you like an hour of one person's time per month to pay for itself for five users. Products can be extremely basic and still be worthwhile in that price range.
      - wwalser 10y ago
        Trello, the head-and-shoulders best project management software for individuals and small teams no matter the type of project and despite the literal hundreds of competitors, is "very basic"… A tool that could save all employees of a company dozens of hours a month for $10 is expensive… Hacker News, what the actual fuck. The total and complete lack of respect for the art of design, programming, hacking, making, building, leading and creating software around here astounds me.
    - ukyrgf 10y ago
      I was a Trello Gold user before they added the Enterprise tier. They seem to have completely forgotten Gold exists because all of their new features are Enterprise-only. I ended up just going back to a free plan.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
- bastawhiz 10y ago
  > Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. And yet, Hipchat is a bloated, unreliable mess.
throwaway5752 10y ago
Funny how much opinions can differ. I've used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.
- biehl 10y ago
  This is also my experience. I like JIRAs search, and writing experience better. And the integration with Github & Bitbucket is lovely also.
- slantyyz 10y ago
  Fogbugz (also created by Fog Creek) is actually a pretty good alternative to JIRA.
  - problems 10y ago
    Fogbugz seems to really be pushing their cloud stuff though, so I basically ruled it out instantly when I was researching options - it's unacceptable to have to host our code and tracker off-premises on hardware we don't control. Whereas even a small team can run JIRA or GitLab on their own hardware for a very reasonable price.
    - slantyyz 10y ago
      They still offer an on-premises version though. IIRC, their on-prem version price was fairly reasonable (that was almost 10y ago though)
      - anildash 10y ago
        (I'm the CEO at Fog Creek.) We've updated the on-premise version of FogBugz to be completely in sync with the hosted version, so all the latest features are on both now.
        problems 10y ago
joeyspn 10y ago
"If you currently use Trello as either a free or paid user, you can rest assured that we will continue to offer Trello as a standalone service." https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/
- philliphaydon 10y ago
  "for now."
adriand 10y ago
JIRA is awful, although admittedly we were a small team when we were using it for a project, which apparently makes it not the best fit. But I really like the other Atlassian products we use. HipChat works well, it's not quite as polished as Slack, but it does the job and it's been a lot more stable the last few months than it once was. Bitbucket is excellent. We moved from Github to Bitbucket a few years ago and never looked back.
lostphilosopher 10y ago
I've always thought that the "white boards and post notes" approach to agile work management is the ideal, it's just difficult to achieve on the 'mortal plane' with remote workers, bad handwriting, inability to query / archive etc. With that in mind I really like Trello because it feels very close to a digital version of that ideal. https://cardboardit.com/ https://cardboardit.com/ is another product in that vein (I am unaffiliated with both products).
nradov 10y ago
Like most software companies, Atlassian products are a mixed bag. I've been pretty happy with their FishEye + Crucible tools for source code search and code reviews.
misterbowfinger 10y ago
They used to have a blurb on their pricing page that said Trello will always have a free option. It's curiously not there anymore: https://trello.com/pricing https://trello.com/pricing
- nathancahill 10y ago
  It says "Free, forever." Edit: I guess you mean these three blurbs? http://web.archive.org/web/20160505012250/https://trello.com/pricing http://web.archive.org/web/20160505012250/https://trello.com...
  - misterbowfinger 10y ago
    Yup. Having "Free, forever" on its own seems a lot less binding.

colinbartlett 10y ago

I feel the same, but I also think that the products and ecosystems are so different that there's hope they might keep them separated.

vidarh 10y ago

Same here. I love Trello for its simplicity, and lack of simplicity is exactly why I avoid Atlassian services...

LoSboccacc 10y ago

prepare for epic cards made of sub-cards and card tasks, all in the name of Agility of course.

chrisan 10y ago

Trello is a JIRA competitor based on providing simplicity to task boards. Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. From their blog post on the subject https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ they seem to acknowledge this I happen to use, and like, both products. JIRA at work (where I want a lot of the features) and Trello for personal/small group projects and even family/household stuff where I just need _simple_

wattt 10y ago
They will JIRA-fy it or kill it. I use JIRA and pay for it, it is hell on earth for teams of 2-5. We looked into switching to trello to reduce overhead but... It cost more for less features. So we stayed with JIRA. They will kill trello so everyone is stuck with JIRA. Someone please make a trello clone with reasonable pricing, now!
- matthewmacleod 10y ago
  Trello was ridiculously cheap. I think you're totally out of luck if you expect anybody to make a clone that's cheaper.
  - BillinghamJ 10y ago
    $10/user/mo for Trello seems pretty expensive to me. It's a very basic product.
    - johnward 10y ago
      They don't care about selling it to you though when they can sell it to the IBMs. To be fair we probably own licenses to everything. I know we have used github enterprise on the watson side.
    - awj 10y ago
      ...it should only need to save you like an hour of one person's time per month to pay for itself for five users. Products can be extremely basic and still be worthwhile in that price range.
    - wwalser 10y ago
      Trello, the head-and-shoulders best project management software for individuals and small teams no matter the type of project and despite the literal hundreds of competitors, is "very basic"… A tool that could save all employees of a company dozens of hours a month for $10 is expensive… Hacker News, what the actual fuck. The total and complete lack of respect for the art of design, programming, hacking, making, building, leading and creating software around here astounds me.
  - ukyrgf 10y ago
    I was a Trello Gold user before they added the Enterprise tier. They seem to have completely forgotten Gold exists because all of their new features are Enterprise-only. I ended up just going back to a free plan.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
bastawhiz 10y ago
> Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. And yet, Hipchat is a bloated, unreliable mess.

throwaway5752 10y ago

Funny how much opinions can differ. I've used them both professionally and I think Trello scales poorly above 5-10 people while Jira is the least-worst option for running a project at any team size.

biehl 10y ago
This is also my experience. I like JIRAs search, and writing experience better. And the integration with Github & Bitbucket is lovely also.
slantyyz 10y ago
Fogbugz (also created by Fog Creek) is actually a pretty good alternative to JIRA.
- problems 10y ago
  Fogbugz seems to really be pushing their cloud stuff though, so I basically ruled it out instantly when I was researching options - it's unacceptable to have to host our code and tracker off-premises on hardware we don't control. Whereas even a small team can run JIRA or GitLab on their own hardware for a very reasonable price.
  - slantyyz 10y ago
    They still offer an on-premises version though. IIRC, their on-prem version price was fairly reasonable (that was almost 10y ago though)
    - anildash 10y ago
      (I'm the CEO at Fog Creek.) We've updated the on-premise version of FogBugz to be completely in sync with the hosted version, so all the latest features are on both now.
      - problems 10y ago

joeyspn 10y ago

"If you currently use Trello as either a free or paid user, you can rest assured that we will continue to offer Trello as a standalone service." https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/

philliphaydon 10y ago
"for now."

adriand 10y ago

JIRA is awful, although admittedly we were a small team when we were using it for a project, which apparently makes it not the best fit. But I really like the other Atlassian products we use. HipChat works well, it's not quite as polished as Slack, but it does the job and it's been a lot more stable the last few months than it once was. Bitbucket is excellent. We moved from Github to Bitbucket a few years ago and never looked back.

lostphilosopher 10y ago

I've always thought that the "white boards and post notes" approach to agile work management is the ideal, it's just difficult to achieve on the 'mortal plane' with remote workers, bad handwriting, inability to query / archive etc. With that in mind I really like Trello because it feels very close to a digital version of that ideal. https://cardboardit.com/ https://cardboardit.com/ is another product in that vein (I am unaffiliated with both products).

nradov 10y ago

Like most software companies, Atlassian products are a mixed bag. I've been pretty happy with their FishEye + Crucible tools for source code search and code reviews.

misterbowfinger 10y ago

They used to have a blurb on their pricing page that said Trello will always have a free option. It's curiously not there anymore: https://trello.com/pricing https://trello.com/pricing

nathancahill 10y ago
It says "Free, forever." Edit: I guess you mean these three blurbs? http://web.archive.org/web/20160505012250/https://trello.com/pricing http://web.archive.org/web/20160505012250/https://trello.com...
- misterbowfinger 10y ago
  Yup. Having "Free, forever" on its own seems a lot less binding.