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iPhone at ten: the revolution continues

92 points by aaronbrethorst 10y ago

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piyush_soni 10y ago
>> "The world’s most popular camera" Citation needed.
- yoz-y 10y ago
  What was usually cited as a source for this that it is the camera which is used to upload the most photos to Flickr, Instagram and so on.
- jackvalentine 10y ago
  https://www.flickr.com/cameras https://www.flickr.com/cameras
  - piyush_soni 10y ago
    So that makes it 'the most popular camera to be used for flickr', not the most popular camera.
    - cooper12 10y ago
      Where else do you want to look? Instagram? Facebook? It dominates those as well. Point-and-shoots are dead. While all professionals will prefer DSLRs, they only comprise a small part of the population. By any account iPhone cameras are the most popular. Anyway they're only saying popular, not "highest megapixel" or "highest quality" which would be something to be contended.
    - jackvalentine 10y ago
      Why are you being so prickly by a statement they've been making undisputed for years? Apple likely has much deeper market research than you or I do, and so do their competitors.
      - piyush_soni 10y ago
        Undisputed? How? Also, if they have much deeper research, why don't they come up with a link or something to support their claim? Why is asking for a reference offending so many people here?
        jackvalentine 10y ago
        Undisputed in that in the 5 or so years they've been making it, it's been undisputed - even by competitors that would have good reason to prove it wrong. We've been able to verify it from third party sources like Flickr for those 5 years as well. People are annoyed at you because your original post was rudely curt and demanding for a throwaway marketing line that as I said above, we have no reason to doubt. As much as you'd like them to, no company is ever going to thoroughly reference their press releases. If you want sources, the media contact details for Apple are readily available on their site.
        piyush_soni 10y ago
        Me: "How it's undisputed?" You: "Undisputed in that for 5 years or so it's been undisputed". :). Then you went on to say the same thing that it's been popular on Flickr. I'm done here.
        jackvalentine 10y ago
        If it's been undisputed in the time they've been making the claim - how is it disputed? I'm honestly very confused about you. There seems to be a great communication gap here between you and the people responding to you that might be helped by you explaining your motivations in asking the question. Why won't you accept Flickr as an indicative proxy as to the accuracy of the statement? Surely you realise it's impossible to provide a perfect measurement of all camera use for all photos published and unpublished in the world? I see no reason and you've provided none to not use proxies to give us some kind of answer.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
  I don't require citation for that. I'd be absolutely amazed if it wasn't true. It's such an immensely popular device.
  - cyborgx7 10y ago
    What is an immensly popular device? "The iPhone"? Because they come out with new devices called that pretty regularly. And if you consider them all to be the same device you don't get to compare them to just one model of an android phone. That flickr link helps because it shows specifically the iPhone 6 to be the device most people us to upload pictures to the service. But that's hardly a perfect metric.
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  Love how one can get downvoted for asking for references. Fans.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    You'll rarely get downvoted if you actually ask for references. But if you leave a bald [citation needed] you're going to get some downvotes.
    - piyush_soni 10y ago
      So how do you "actually" ask for reference? What I've written is the most direct one can be (without caring about sugar coating my sentence). People wouldn't have minded had I written: "I'm a long time fan of Apple and still love their products above any other company's, but I think some of their statements would get much more value if they support them with a third party reference like other companies do with asterisks and all, like a statement like their camera is most popular in the world could have been supported with some reference. " I bet, that would look like a neutral and balanced statement to all and most people would be happy with it, but as you can see, it's easy to fake it. The truth is I'm tired of Apple's hyperbole and people should question them. If you make a claim, support it with facts, otherwise don't write it.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        "Do you have any references for that please?" [citation needed] is just snark.
        piyush_soni 10y ago
        >> is just snark. That's how you look at it. People can look at your (barely) rephrased question as a snarky comment too.
  - pvdebbe 10y ago
    Truth be told, the wikipedia-originated meme is tired.
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  I mean, they don't even put an asterisk or something when they write that (e.g. "according to photos uploaded on Flickr"). In contrast, when Google writes Pixel's camera is the best, at least they put a star over there and write "according to DxOMark" somewhere at the bottom. It's that brazenness that I don't like about Apple.
  - dep_b 10y ago
    1) Apple is pretty clear about it in their presentations 2) Google paid DxOMark some good money for that, they better get some usage out of it 3) The iPhone 7 Plus is going to reviewed by DxOMark "really soon"
- dingaling 10y ago
  > "The world’s most popular camera" Congratulations Sony!
yoz-y 10y ago
One thing I really like here (and not meaning it as a joke) is that when you look at the original iPhone and the iPhone 7 side by side they look very similar. Apple has stuck to their guns and kept on iterating, rather than chasing a new cool design for every release.
- simonh 10y ago
  I think the double-glass sided 'jewel case' design introduced with the iPhone 4 is still the best aesthetic design for any consumer product ever. I know it's just not practical for the bigger phones though, hence they went back to a more conventional design. However yes, from the front not much has changed. The sheer iron-willed discipline it took to reduce the front face design down to one physical button from the start is still impressive.
  - Steko 10y ago
    My first month with the 4S was painful due to the sharp edges digging into my palm (insert relevant Tufte quote). I dislike the machined holes on the bottom of my 6 for similar reasons, good riddance headphone jack.
  - yoz-y 10y ago
    iPhone 4 was my first iPhone and indeed it is the best looking. However, from the fear of breaking it it was also my only iPhone that I have kept in the case all of the time.
    - throwanem 10y ago
      They were surprisingly sturdy. I dropped my 4S plenty of times over almost a half decade, and the only thing that ever even chipped the glass was a bounce off the plastic faceplate of my 30-year-old Technics amplifier.
      - seunosewa 10y ago
        I had the same experience you had. Some reasons for this: the glass was thicker, more shatter-proof but less scratch resistant, and smaller in area (large sheets of glass at the same thickness break more easily) compared to the latest phones.
cyberferret 10y ago
No doubt they are doing a great job and have achieved some remarkable milestones, but still calling it a "revolution" a decade down the track is stretching things a little IMO... EDIT: To allay the seeming confusion - I am saying it WAS definitely a revolution when it first came out. It is just that I don't think you can still chant and wave the "Viva La Revolution!" banners 3650 days later when it has just been a series of iterative changes during that time.
- csydas 10y ago
  I'm not sure what you would classify as a revolution - in Apple's case, they pretty much set the standard for what smartphone design would be after the release of the first, were the subject of countless imitations, and IIRC, Google pretty much restarted the Android project once they saw the original iPhone [1]. I'd say they made some pretty major strides and set the standard for what a smartphone would look like for the years to come, and by and large all phones still follow the iPhones original path. Sure, different phones and different Android releases now do stuff different and sometimes better than iOS, but for the most part, it's all just following the iPhone. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-da...
  - cyberferret 10y ago
    I would never argue that is wasn't a revolution when it first came out a decade ago. There is little doubt that it changed the landscape for smartphones and spurred plenty of competitive efforts etc. Its just that now it has had about 7 major iterations (not counting 'S' models etc.), it is really in the 'consolidation' stage of the battle. The storming of the castle is done, now the army is battening down for the long siege and the door to door skirmishing, slowly moving the front forward. The only way Apple (or any manufacturer) can claim another 'revolutionary' step is if they come out with a foldable display screen, or a 30 day battery life or similar.
    - throwanem 10y ago
themihai 10y ago
A 10th anniversary model would have been a nice surprise...
- wrboyce 10y ago
  My money is still on an "iPhone X" later this year.
  - erelde 10y ago
    I sometimes stop and think about the "iPhone 26". I hope Apple will be willing to rebrand themselves before that happens.
    - delecti 10y ago
      I expect that either Apple or Samsung will soon bring the trend of naming things without a number, and having the year be an implicit addition. Other companies have done it (Amazon and Motorola) but neither has anywhere near the market share, and definitely not the contingent of customers who buy each year's model, of those two.
  - neotek 10y ago
    Apple has never been the kind of company to celebrate anniversaries in that way. I would be mildly disappointed if they started now.
    - freehunter 10y ago
      They did make a 20th anniversary Mac, but like you alluded to it wasn't a mass market product.
cixin 10y ago
It's not a hugely popular opinion, but I'm still happier with the iPhone than any other phone currently on the market. Not only do I find it nicer to use (which is somewhat subjective), but I still feel that Apple are standing up for user rights (e.g. FBI/government requests to make phones less secure) more than any other mobile manufacturer.
- Shivetya 10y ago
  The nice thing about the iPhone series is that you can use an older model and not feel left out. I am one of the every other version upgrade types and while with my plan I could replace the phone each time there is an upgrade for no real cost it just never has seemed necessary. I did swap out of the version 4 simply because my lack of grace meant I had to replace the back glass more than once.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    My 4S got unusably slow (with even keystrokes taking ~75ms to register) after the iOS 8 update. How have you avoided such mishaps, which I gather are pretty common when putting newer iOS on older devices? (Yes, I turned off the fancy stuff like Springboard background parallax. It helped but not enough.)
- Nullabillity 10y ago
  Standing up for your right to not use your device as you please? Standing up for your right to lock-in your data with a single vendor?
  - xHopen 10y ago
    Do you live in the Rainforest without internet access ? I mean.. even the simple action of switching on the light of your living room , triggers data that later on will be sold and use by third party companies... please.
  - audunw 10y ago
    > Standing up for your right to not use your device as you please? What right? Most people (but not enough) have some sense that privacy is an actual right. The number of people who think that it's a right that every device you own with an MCU or CPU should be a completely open general programming platform is a fraction of a percent. > Standing up for your right to lock-in your data with a single vendor? What lock-in? You can have all your iPhone data (contacts, notes, etc.) on Gmail if you want, you can have all your photos synchronized to Dropbox. Which data are you referring to? I have to be honest and say that this comment comes off as a knee-jerk reaction. I mean, you probably have some valid criticism in there if you worded it better. It would definitely be much better for us geeks if iPhone was more open. But a right? Get real.
IBM 10y ago
There's 23 years between the Macintosh in 1984 and the iPhone in 2007. Real paradigm shifts in computing are rare. People who think the iPhone is going to be supplanted by whatever en vogue technology is being hyped in the media today should keep that in mind. Especially considering that Apple still sells PCs 40 years into its life (how many computer companies have gone the way of the dinosaur in that time?) and has a virtual lock on the high end of that market.
- tempestn 10y ago
  That's a good point, but if you believe that the rate of technological advancement is still increasing as it has been throughout modern history, you would expect each successive paradigm shift to come more quickly than the last (aside from some noise, obviously). Of course, the shift may not come in a field we currently think of as being involved with personal computing. (Much like we wouldn't have thought of cellphones as such in the 90s.)
  - simonh 10y ago
    I don't think the pace of technological advancement is increasing. I think it probably peaked some time before the year 2000, possibly around 1990. It's still pretty fast, but gradually decelerating. Individual technologies each follow their own advancement curve. Jet and rocket engine advancement flattened out in the 60s and 70s. Moore's Law is history. Rising life expectancy are now mainly about expanding long life to more people, not extending how long the longest lived survive. New technologies generally have a slow start, then a sharp rise in performance/drop in cost, then those advances level off. But where are the new technologies that will provide further rapid advances? Our aircraft still have jet engines, our rockets still burn the same fuels, our chips are still made of silicon. Electric cars are great, but battery technology is reaching it's limits, as is solar tech which is finally coming into it's own after a very long development history. Finally, on AI research I recently posted the following on a different thread: 1960s Herbert Simmons predicts "Machines will be capable, within 20 years, of doing any work a man can do." 1993 - Vernor Vinge predicts super-intelligent AIs 'within 30 years'. 2011 ray Kurzweil predicts the singularity (enabled by super-intelligent AIs) will occur by 2045, 34 years after the prediction was made. So the distance into the future before we achieve strong AI and hence the singularity is, according to it's most optimistic proponents, receding by more than 1 year per year.
rcarmo 10y ago
Back in the day, and before becoming the local product manager for the iPhone 3G at one of my previous employers, I kept a timeline[0] covering articles, reviews, and other interesting bits. It hasn't aged very well, but some of the links are still active: [0]: http://taoofmac.com/space/com/Apple/iPhone http://taoofmac.com/space/com/Apple/iPhone
redsummer 10y ago
Unfortunately its success has warped Apple. Cook has ignored the Mac and promoted iOS as the 'everyday computing' platform. His bet hasn't paid off though. iPad sales have been declining since 2014. Even iPhone sales have peaked because of Apple's anti-customer policies (how do you plug your lightning headphones into your Mac?). Reliance on one product is very dangerous.
- davej 10y ago
  > His bet hasn't paid off though. Hasn't it? They still sell nearly twice as many iPads as all Macs combined. Relative to units sold I think Apple invests heavily in the Mac platform you may (dis)like the new MacBooks and MBPs but clearly a lot of time and effort has been invested into their design.
  - tluyben2 10y ago
    And I wonder if many people crying here have actually tried it. I am a coder so remap esc -> caps which is actually better. It is a very good laptop; not sure how people can even compare the hardware to the Surface book. So the gripe must be about the touch bar which you get used to in a less than an hour. If you read my history you'll see I am desperate to leave Apple but not for the hardware quality ; only for openness.
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- audunw 10y ago
  Steve Jobs reshaped Apple into an organization that would focus on a select few products at a time. This worked very well in the beginning and allowed them to rapidly innovate. Now they're a victim of their own success. All their product lines are relatively successful. There's not a significant product that they can kill (they killed the routers now, but that probably doesn't free up too much focus anyway). I think even Steve would've struggled with this conundrum. Internally, they've tried to merged Mac and iOS, ala Windows 8/10, to allow them to keep a single focus.. but their conclusion was that it compromises both Mac OS and iOS in a way that they don't want to do. And if they made the merged OS closer to iOS, it would alienate a lot of Mac users and developers. So how should Apple refocus? Who knows. I think it's a flaw to think that Steve Jobs would have magically solved the problem already. He was smart, but not a god. > how do you plug your lightning headphones into your Mac? You don't buy lightning headphones. Apple will kill the lightning on iPhone too. Either replacing it with USB-C or removing it altogether. This is all part of a transition which is unavoidably awkward. Apple is betting heavily on wireless, and lightning headphones is just a stop-gap solution while wireless headphones improve. A way for people to be able to buy some cheap, simple headphones to replace the bundled ones if they need to. If you buy an expensive lightning-only headphone you're a fool. The moment that wireless charging is fast enough to completely replace wired charging, they will kill the lightning port and perhaps bundle a case which bridges lightning or USB-C to wireless charging+bluetooth 5. Third parties will deliver cases with bundled battery, USB-C and 3.5mm jack, and since the phone will be even thinner without any ports, the phone+case will still be plenty thin enough for daily use, and sturdier too. Everyone will be happy (hah, as if..)
longlost 10y ago
The ongoing, incremental, improvements continue. The iPhone 7 and 7 Plus: - Better camera - Better processor - Better speakers - Better screen - Almost waterproof this time I see nothing groundbreaking or life changing here. Something that might actually BE life-changing is a molecular sensor and better health monitoring / diagnostics tools.
- audunw 10y ago
  You can start to see that Apple is positioning themselves for a more innovative redesign. If you look at their recent iteration (removing the headphone-jack) and rumors from internal development (fast wireless charging, edge-to-edge display tech).. it's moving towards a phone that's more like a thin slate of glass where everything is wireless. Think the tablets from Westworld. Either Apple will bundle a case with extra battery and USB-C (bridged to wireless charging+bluetooth 5), or third parties will do so. Given that this approach will allow Apple to push the thinness even further, using a case when you're out and about will probably be more or less essential.. but it won't be so bad since the combined thickness will be on-par with iPhone 3-4.. and you get the flexibility to choose between different designs, battery sizes, ports, etc. It's not super groundbreaking ala iPhone 1, and it's where everyone will end up eventually anyway, but Apple is positioning themselves to go there before anyone else. Hence the awkward timing surrounding 3.5mm jacks, lightning and USB-C.
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    I doubt this, because Apple has lost its focus. Products used to offer exciting user benefits, with a significant new user benefit in each update. But going completely wireless is an engineering fantasy, not a user benefit. Let's say iPhone 10 arrives as a shiny slab of ceramic. So what? Even if it looks glisteningly pristine and cool, users care more about functionality and ease of use. The first few iterations were all about the latter. The last few iterations have been about engineering and design for the sake of it. Delighting users seems to have slipped down the list.
- dhimes 10y ago
  If there is anything I would beg of phone manufacturers it would be to quit trying to make the speakers more powerful. Anybody who lived through the '70s and '80s will remember the days of getting on public transportation or trying to hang out in public places only to be treated to somebody else's idea of music at high volume. It was such a relief when the Walkman and later mp3 players/ipods had everybody using headphones again. I'm not anxious to go back.
return0 10y ago
That image makes me want an iphone with the original form factor. They could use the entire face for screen and put the button on the side.
- dep_b 10y ago
  This. The X version of the iPhone SE. Pun intended.
nachtigall 10y ago
"The revolution continues" (or "Uber movement", the other frontpage entry on HN) - why does this all sound like communist propaganda?!
- yellow_viper 10y ago
  If anything it's capitalist propaganda but this site is small enough and full of enough educated people that we can read things like this subjectively and then bitch about it in the comments.
  - nachtigall 10y ago
    Sure, but it's interesting that now that the communist (in the mainstream meaning) counterpart does not exist anymore (except small enclaves like Cuba or North Korea) - that big capitalist corporates - or their propaganda, pardon, public relations department - take over the very same language. Also a bit of Orwell's Newspeak in here as well. In the end it's funny of course :)
- tdkl 10y ago
  The iPhone itself is marketed with "communist" propaganda - one true smartphone for everyone and customization being hindered down that all the desktops on it are basically the same. Which is hilarious based on the "think different" mantra.
yellow_viper 10y ago
I've owned almost every model of the iPhone, and they stopped innovating a long time ago. Until they catch up with things like wireless charging - or introduce something 'revolutionary' like a shatter-proof screen or a graphene rapid charge battery - I won't be buying another iPhone. They've stagnated over the past few years while Android overtakes them.
cromwellian 10y ago
Every release they always say "this is the biggest release ever!" The superlatives, hyperbole, and hagiography are wearing kind of thin at this point. I'm not saying anything bad about the iPhone, but I can really do without the constant "magical! amazing! beautiful! best ever!" stuff. At this point, can't they just rest on having a great product without the need to amp up the marketing so over the top?
- patricius 10y ago
  What's a realistic alternative? "Here is our new somewhat improved iPhone... Buy it if you want to." Marketing is marketing.
  - nachtigall 10y ago
    When people start noticing that it's Superlative Bullshit Bingo, then it's bad marketing actually ;)
  - cromwellian 10y ago
    Have you looked at how Google, Amazon, or Microsoft market things? The volume level is not where over the top. There have been versions of IOS I'd call significant large releases. The issue with Apple is they act like every release is a revolutionary upgrade. IMHO, build great products， be proud of them, and people will come. The superlative stuff just sounds inauthentic these days.
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      Quite. I gotta say i love the people at Google is willing to fail on stage, and pull comedy antics (like donning stripper pants in preparation for demoing a exercise bike dock).
- nicky0 10y ago
  Surely they always say it's the "best iPhone ever", because it is. No sane company is going to say "it's the second best <product> ever, the last one was the best and we decided to make the new one worse".
bane 10y ago
Not an iPhone user, but Apple entering the smartphone market was a great thing for consumers I believe. Even if the first iPhone was just a very polished iteration of all the other smartphones on the market, it brought Apple's relentless focus on polish as well as business savvy to the market, it also catalyzed Google and a bunch of other companies to jump into the fray once Apple cleared the way with telecom providers. Before the iPhone, carriers billed on individual metrics like bytes transferred or connections to servers, the first few months of iPhone bills were sometimes hundreds of pages long. The real revolution that Apple brought was in forcing carriers to become one step closer to being dumb pipes. It's an agreement that even today no other maker of Smartphone has really quite gotten to with the same companies. Google phones still ship with crapware on them. At the same time, Apple showed structural weaknesses in competitors and exploited them, Microsoft, Nokia, Blackberry, Palm, etc. all couldn't build offerings as good as the iPhone and if it weren't for Google we'd very much be using a monoculture of devices these days. At the same time Android devices took a "try it first, try it every which way" approach that has also forced the iPhone to come along kicking and screaming, then putting Apple in a position to integrate some new innovative feature that Android devices don't have, putting them both into a state of perpetual innovation. Consumers win in this and I find it remarkable how many things the little device in my pocket has simply and entirely replaced.
- notheguyouthink 10y ago
  > Google phones still ship with crapware on them Note, these usually aren't "Google phones", they just happen to have Google's OS on it. Eg, i haven't dealt with crapware on my phone in ~7years, as i don't buy phones from 3rd parties who have incentives to put crapware on the phone. If Apple allowed anyone else to use their OS, i'm sure iPhone would have crapware on it too. Well, unless Apple had a contract that required a clean OS, which i would honestly hope they would - i'm annoyed Google doesn't.
  - bane 10y ago
    My phone a couple phones ago was a Nexus on Verizon, it was pretty much stock Android except for a couple pieces of Verizon garbage that ended up on the phone and I couldn't remove without rooting. The next phone, a Samsung Note 3 had Samsung's adoring additions, but less what I'd consider "crapware". My current phone, a Nexus 6p, on Google Fi is pure Android, and finally doesn't have any extra nonsense on it. (I also had a couple other Android phones before these that also had various carrier garbage on them). Apple hasn't allowed this nonsense on their phones ever AFAIK and it's amazing that you can still buy an Android device, or at least a flagship one, that has anything but the stock OS on it. Considering that Android devices are by far more often sold than iOS devices, it's frankly inexcusable at this point.
S_A_P 10y ago
If you completely buy in to apples ecosystem it is really quite nice. I just got the Apple Watch and use it to unlock my MacBook. I know there are phone apps for this and it's not unique to apple but the Apple Watch implementation works perfectly. It waits until you wake up the screen and gives you feedback on the watch in case you're in range but not at the computer. After purchasing the iPhone in 2007 I switched to Mac. I now use Mac windows and Linux but all on Mac hardware. I guess the iPhone was the gateway drug for me.
- nicky0 10y ago
  TBH you don't need to completely buy in to Apple ecosystem. I use iPhone just fine with Fastmail, Dropbox, Spotify and Google Photos.
  - S_A_P 10y ago
    That's true- my perspective is that it's great hardware to run whatever software/OS you need.
jaxomlotus 10y ago
As an app creator, I have bought almost every new iPhone model since the original. Having used the iPhone 7+ now for a few months I can honestly say that every time I want to use my existing headphones, I get super frustrated at the dongles I need to connect/disconnect. And no, I don't want to buy a pair of headphones I need to charge all the time or that I will lose when they fall out of my ears. I think this is my last iPhone purchase for personal use.
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  I agree. It's an infuriating decision. And a pointless one. If the 7 had a headphone jack, buying it would be a no-brainer. As it is I've held off upgrading because to get the same basic functionality I'm going to have to spend $$$$ on dongles or an external Bluetooth DAC or wireless headphones or something to replace a connector that costs maybe $0.10 in bulk. Instead of buying and using the damn phone I'm having to engineer a solution around it to get it to do something that previous versions did effortlessly. It's a decision that adds cost and complications, but provides absolutely no user benefit.
- listic 10y ago
  There's always SE. Sturdy, proven design, headphone jack and sane (one-handable, pocketable) size. As much as I'd want to like Android, there's nothing of this size left there. I hope Apple will continue this line into the future.
  - pmontra 10y ago
    There is the Sony Xperia X Compact from September 2016. It's slightly larger and much thicker (9.5 mm) and it weights more. Still the closest one. It came with Android 6 and got an OTA update to 7 in mid December. It's fast and the battery always lasts 2.x days to me, I charge it again at around 20%. It lasted 3 days 18 hours last time over a long weekend, down to 9%. I checked and I made 8 hours of screen activity so it wasn't in my pocket all the time. Given how long it lasts I wish they traded some battery to make the phone thinner and lighter, exactly as the SE. http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php
beautifulfreak 10y ago
A graph of cumulative iPhone sales shows that about half the total were sold in the last two years (1). In November 2013, Horace Dedieu of Asymco fit the sales trend to a logistics curve (2), but in August 2016 showed even faster adoption (3) Tim Cook's enthusiasm seems warranted. (1)https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_5390_cumulative_iphone_sales_n.jpg https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_5390_c... (2)http://www.asymco.com/2013/11/25/one-billion-ios-devices/ http://www.asymco.com/2013/11/25/one-billion-ios-devices/ (3)http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screen-Shot-2016-08-17-at-9.23.26-PM-620x442.png http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screen-Shot...

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piyush_soni 10y ago

>> "The world’s most popular camera" Citation needed.

yoz-y 10y ago
What was usually cited as a source for this that it is the camera which is used to upload the most photos to Flickr, Instagram and so on.
jackvalentine 10y ago
https://www.flickr.com/cameras https://www.flickr.com/cameras
- piyush_soni 10y ago
  So that makes it 'the most popular camera to be used for flickr', not the most popular camera.
  - cooper12 10y ago
    Where else do you want to look? Instagram? Facebook? It dominates those as well. Point-and-shoots are dead. While all professionals will prefer DSLRs, they only comprise a small part of the population. By any account iPhone cameras are the most popular. Anyway they're only saying popular, not "highest megapixel" or "highest quality" which would be something to be contended.
  - jackvalentine 10y ago
    Why are you being so prickly by a statement they've been making undisputed for years? Apple likely has much deeper market research than you or I do, and so do their competitors.
    - piyush_soni 10y ago
      Undisputed? How? Also, if they have much deeper research, why don't they come up with a link or something to support their claim? Why is asking for a reference offending so many people here?
      - jackvalentine 10y ago
        Undisputed in that in the 5 or so years they've been making it, it's been undisputed - even by competitors that would have good reason to prove it wrong. We've been able to verify it from third party sources like Flickr for those 5 years as well. People are annoyed at you because your original post was rudely curt and demanding for a throwaway marketing line that as I said above, we have no reason to doubt. As much as you'd like them to, no company is ever going to thoroughly reference their press releases. If you want sources, the media contact details for Apple are readily available on their site.
        piyush_soni 10y ago
        Me: "How it's undisputed?" You: "Undisputed in that for 5 years or so it's been undisputed". :). Then you went on to say the same thing that it's been popular on Flickr. I'm done here.
        jackvalentine 10y ago
        If it's been undisputed in the time they've been making the claim - how is it disputed? I'm honestly very confused about you. There seems to be a great communication gap here between you and the people responding to you that might be helped by you explaining your motivations in asking the question. Why won't you accept Flickr as an indicative proxy as to the accuracy of the statement? Surely you realise it's impossible to provide a perfect measurement of all camera use for all photos published and unpublished in the world? I see no reason and you've provided none to not use proxies to give us some kind of answer.
ClassyJacket 10y ago
I don't require citation for that. I'd be absolutely amazed if it wasn't true. It's such an immensely popular device.
- cyborgx7 10y ago
  What is an immensly popular device? "The iPhone"? Because they come out with new devices called that pretty regularly. And if you consider them all to be the same device you don't get to compare them to just one model of an android phone. That flickr link helps because it shows specifically the iPhone 6 to be the device most people us to upload pictures to the service. But that's hardly a perfect metric.
piyush_soni 10y ago
Love how one can get downvoted for asking for references. Fans.
- DanBC 10y ago
  You'll rarely get downvoted if you actually ask for references. But if you leave a bald [citation needed] you're going to get some downvotes.
  - piyush_soni 10y ago
    So how do you "actually" ask for reference? What I've written is the most direct one can be (without caring about sugar coating my sentence). People wouldn't have minded had I written: "I'm a long time fan of Apple and still love their products above any other company's, but I think some of their statements would get much more value if they support them with a third party reference like other companies do with asterisks and all, like a statement like their camera is most popular in the world could have been supported with some reference. " I bet, that would look like a neutral and balanced statement to all and most people would be happy with it, but as you can see, it's easy to fake it. The truth is I'm tired of Apple's hyperbole and people should question them. If you make a claim, support it with facts, otherwise don't write it.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      "Do you have any references for that please?" [citation needed] is just snark.
      - piyush_soni 10y ago
        >> is just snark. That's how you look at it. People can look at your (barely) rephrased question as a snarky comment too.
- pvdebbe 10y ago
  Truth be told, the wikipedia-originated meme is tired.
piyush_soni 10y ago
I mean, they don't even put an asterisk or something when they write that (e.g. "according to photos uploaded on Flickr"). In contrast, when Google writes Pixel's camera is the best, at least they put a star over there and write "according to DxOMark" somewhere at the bottom. It's that brazenness that I don't like about Apple.
- dep_b 10y ago
  1) Apple is pretty clear about it in their presentations 2) Google paid DxOMark some good money for that, they better get some usage out of it 3) The iPhone 7 Plus is going to reviewed by DxOMark "really soon"
dingaling 10y ago
> "The world’s most popular camera" Congratulations Sony!

yoz-y 10y ago

One thing I really like here (and not meaning it as a joke) is that when you look at the original iPhone and the iPhone 7 side by side they look very similar. Apple has stuck to their guns and kept on iterating, rather than chasing a new cool design for every release.

simonh 10y ago
I think the double-glass sided 'jewel case' design introduced with the iPhone 4 is still the best aesthetic design for any consumer product ever. I know it's just not practical for the bigger phones though, hence they went back to a more conventional design. However yes, from the front not much has changed. The sheer iron-willed discipline it took to reduce the front face design down to one physical button from the start is still impressive.
- Steko 10y ago
  My first month with the 4S was painful due to the sharp edges digging into my palm (insert relevant Tufte quote). I dislike the machined holes on the bottom of my 6 for similar reasons, good riddance headphone jack.
- yoz-y 10y ago
  iPhone 4 was my first iPhone and indeed it is the best looking. However, from the fear of breaking it it was also my only iPhone that I have kept in the case all of the time.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    They were surprisingly sturdy. I dropped my 4S plenty of times over almost a half decade, and the only thing that ever even chipped the glass was a bounce off the plastic faceplate of my 30-year-old Technics amplifier.
    - seunosewa 10y ago
      I had the same experience you had. Some reasons for this: the glass was thicker, more shatter-proof but less scratch resistant, and smaller in area (large sheets of glass at the same thickness break more easily) compared to the latest phones.

cyberferret 10y ago

No doubt they are doing a great job and have achieved some remarkable milestones, but still calling it a "revolution" a decade down the track is stretching things a little IMO... EDIT: To allay the seeming confusion - I am saying it WAS definitely a revolution when it first came out. It is just that I don't think you can still chant and wave the "Viva La Revolution!" banners 3650 days later when it has just been a series of iterative changes during that time.

csydas 10y ago
I'm not sure what you would classify as a revolution - in Apple's case, they pretty much set the standard for what smartphone design would be after the release of the first, were the subject of countless imitations, and IIRC, Google pretty much restarted the Android project once they saw the original iPhone [1]. I'd say they made some pretty major strides and set the standard for what a smartphone would look like for the years to come, and by and large all phones still follow the iPhones original path. Sure, different phones and different Android releases now do stuff different and sometimes better than iOS, but for the most part, it's all just following the iPhone. [1] http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-day-google-had-to-start-over-on-android/282479/ http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/the-da...
- cyberferret 10y ago
  I would never argue that is wasn't a revolution when it first came out a decade ago. There is little doubt that it changed the landscape for smartphones and spurred plenty of competitive efforts etc. Its just that now it has had about 7 major iterations (not counting 'S' models etc.), it is really in the 'consolidation' stage of the battle. The storming of the castle is done, now the army is battening down for the long siege and the door to door skirmishing, slowly moving the front forward. The only way Apple (or any manufacturer) can claim another 'revolutionary' step is if they come out with a foldable display screen, or a 30 day battery life or similar.
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themihai 10y ago

A 10th anniversary model would have been a nice surprise...

wrboyce 10y ago
My money is still on an "iPhone X" later this year.
- erelde 10y ago
  I sometimes stop and think about the "iPhone 26". I hope Apple will be willing to rebrand themselves before that happens.
  - delecti 10y ago
    I expect that either Apple or Samsung will soon bring the trend of naming things without a number, and having the year be an implicit addition. Other companies have done it (Amazon and Motorola) but neither has anywhere near the market share, and definitely not the contingent of customers who buy each year's model, of those two.
- neotek 10y ago
  Apple has never been the kind of company to celebrate anniversaries in that way. I would be mildly disappointed if they started now.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    They did make a 20th anniversary Mac, but like you alluded to it wasn't a mass market product.

cixin 10y ago

It's not a hugely popular opinion, but I'm still happier with the iPhone than any other phone currently on the market. Not only do I find it nicer to use (which is somewhat subjective), but I still feel that Apple are standing up for user rights (e.g. FBI/government requests to make phones less secure) more than any other mobile manufacturer.

Shivetya 10y ago
The nice thing about the iPhone series is that you can use an older model and not feel left out. I am one of the every other version upgrade types and while with my plan I could replace the phone each time there is an upgrade for no real cost it just never has seemed necessary. I did swap out of the version 4 simply because my lack of grace meant I had to replace the back glass more than once.
- throwanem 10y ago
  My 4S got unusably slow (with even keystrokes taking ~75ms to register) after the iOS 8 update. How have you avoided such mishaps, which I gather are pretty common when putting newer iOS on older devices? (Yes, I turned off the fancy stuff like Springboard background parallax. It helped but not enough.)
Nullabillity 10y ago
Standing up for your right to not use your device as you please? Standing up for your right to lock-in your data with a single vendor?
- xHopen 10y ago
  Do you live in the Rainforest without internet access ? I mean.. even the simple action of switching on the light of your living room , triggers data that later on will be sold and use by third party companies... please.
- audunw 10y ago
  > Standing up for your right to not use your device as you please? What right? Most people (but not enough) have some sense that privacy is an actual right. The number of people who think that it's a right that every device you own with an MCU or CPU should be a completely open general programming platform is a fraction of a percent. > Standing up for your right to lock-in your data with a single vendor? What lock-in? You can have all your iPhone data (contacts, notes, etc.) on Gmail if you want, you can have all your photos synchronized to Dropbox. Which data are you referring to? I have to be honest and say that this comment comes off as a knee-jerk reaction. I mean, you probably have some valid criticism in there if you worded it better. It would definitely be much better for us geeks if iPhone was more open. But a right? Get real.

IBM 10y ago

There's 23 years between the Macintosh in 1984 and the iPhone in 2007. Real paradigm shifts in computing are rare. People who think the iPhone is going to be supplanted by whatever en vogue technology is being hyped in the media today should keep that in mind. Especially considering that Apple still sells PCs 40 years into its life (how many computer companies have gone the way of the dinosaur in that time?) and has a virtual lock on the high end of that market.

tempestn 10y ago
That's a good point, but if you believe that the rate of technological advancement is still increasing as it has been throughout modern history, you would expect each successive paradigm shift to come more quickly than the last (aside from some noise, obviously). Of course, the shift may not come in a field we currently think of as being involved with personal computing. (Much like we wouldn't have thought of cellphones as such in the 90s.)
- simonh 10y ago
  I don't think the pace of technological advancement is increasing. I think it probably peaked some time before the year 2000, possibly around 1990. It's still pretty fast, but gradually decelerating. Individual technologies each follow their own advancement curve. Jet and rocket engine advancement flattened out in the 60s and 70s. Moore's Law is history. Rising life expectancy are now mainly about expanding long life to more people, not extending how long the longest lived survive. New technologies generally have a slow start, then a sharp rise in performance/drop in cost, then those advances level off. But where are the new technologies that will provide further rapid advances? Our aircraft still have jet engines, our rockets still burn the same fuels, our chips are still made of silicon. Electric cars are great, but battery technology is reaching it's limits, as is solar tech which is finally coming into it's own after a very long development history. Finally, on AI research I recently posted the following on a different thread: 1960s Herbert Simmons predicts "Machines will be capable, within 20 years, of doing any work a man can do." 1993 - Vernor Vinge predicts super-intelligent AIs 'within 30 years'. 2011 ray Kurzweil predicts the singularity (enabled by super-intelligent AIs) will occur by 2045, 34 years after the prediction was made. So the distance into the future before we achieve strong AI and hence the singularity is, according to it's most optimistic proponents, receding by more than 1 year per year.

rcarmo 10y ago

Back in the day, and before becoming the local product manager for the iPhone 3G at one of my previous employers, I kept a timeline[0] covering articles, reviews, and other interesting bits. It hasn't aged very well, but some of the links are still active: [0]: http://taoofmac.com/space/com/Apple/iPhone http://taoofmac.com/space/com/Apple/iPhone

redsummer 10y ago

Unfortunately its success has warped Apple. Cook has ignored the Mac and promoted iOS as the 'everyday computing' platform. His bet hasn't paid off though. iPad sales have been declining since 2014. Even iPhone sales have peaked because of Apple's anti-customer policies (how do you plug your lightning headphones into your Mac?). Reliance on one product is very dangerous.

davej 10y ago
> His bet hasn't paid off though. Hasn't it? They still sell nearly twice as many iPads as all Macs combined. Relative to units sold I think Apple invests heavily in the Mac platform you may (dis)like the new MacBooks and MBPs but clearly a lot of time and effort has been invested into their design.
- tluyben2 10y ago
  And I wonder if many people crying here have actually tried it. I am a coder so remap esc -> caps which is actually better. It is a very good laptop; not sure how people can even compare the hardware to the Surface book. So the gripe must be about the touch bar which you get used to in a less than an hour. If you read my history you'll see I am desperate to leave Apple but not for the hardware quality ; only for openness.
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audunw 10y ago
Steve Jobs reshaped Apple into an organization that would focus on a select few products at a time. This worked very well in the beginning and allowed them to rapidly innovate. Now they're a victim of their own success. All their product lines are relatively successful. There's not a significant product that they can kill (they killed the routers now, but that probably doesn't free up too much focus anyway). I think even Steve would've struggled with this conundrum. Internally, they've tried to merged Mac and iOS, ala Windows 8/10, to allow them to keep a single focus.. but their conclusion was that it compromises both Mac OS and iOS in a way that they don't want to do. And if they made the merged OS closer to iOS, it would alienate a lot of Mac users and developers. So how should Apple refocus? Who knows. I think it's a flaw to think that Steve Jobs would have magically solved the problem already. He was smart, but not a god. > how do you plug your lightning headphones into your Mac? You don't buy lightning headphones. Apple will kill the lightning on iPhone too. Either replacing it with USB-C or removing it altogether. This is all part of a transition which is unavoidably awkward. Apple is betting heavily on wireless, and lightning headphones is just a stop-gap solution while wireless headphones improve. A way for people to be able to buy some cheap, simple headphones to replace the bundled ones if they need to. If you buy an expensive lightning-only headphone you're a fool. The moment that wireless charging is fast enough to completely replace wired charging, they will kill the lightning port and perhaps bundle a case which bridges lightning or USB-C to wireless charging+bluetooth 5. Third parties will deliver cases with bundled battery, USB-C and 3.5mm jack, and since the phone will be even thinner without any ports, the phone+case will still be plenty thin enough for daily use, and sturdier too. Everyone will be happy (hah, as if..)

longlost 10y ago

The ongoing, incremental, improvements continue. The iPhone 7 and 7 Plus: - Better camera - Better processor - Better speakers - Better screen - Almost waterproof this time I see nothing groundbreaking or life changing here. Something that might actually BE life-changing is a molecular sensor and better health monitoring / diagnostics tools.

audunw 10y ago
You can start to see that Apple is positioning themselves for a more innovative redesign. If you look at their recent iteration (removing the headphone-jack) and rumors from internal development (fast wireless charging, edge-to-edge display tech).. it's moving towards a phone that's more like a thin slate of glass where everything is wireless. Think the tablets from Westworld. Either Apple will bundle a case with extra battery and USB-C (bridged to wireless charging+bluetooth 5), or third parties will do so. Given that this approach will allow Apple to push the thinness even further, using a case when you're out and about will probably be more or less essential.. but it won't be so bad since the combined thickness will be on-par with iPhone 3-4.. and you get the flexibility to choose between different designs, battery sizes, ports, etc. It's not super groundbreaking ala iPhone 1, and it's where everyone will end up eventually anyway, but Apple is positioning themselves to go there before anyone else. Hence the awkward timing surrounding 3.5mm jacks, lightning and USB-C.
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  I doubt this, because Apple has lost its focus. Products used to offer exciting user benefits, with a significant new user benefit in each update. But going completely wireless is an engineering fantasy, not a user benefit. Let's say iPhone 10 arrives as a shiny slab of ceramic. So what? Even if it looks glisteningly pristine and cool, users care more about functionality and ease of use. The first few iterations were all about the latter. The last few iterations have been about engineering and design for the sake of it. Delighting users seems to have slipped down the list.
dhimes 10y ago
If there is anything I would beg of phone manufacturers it would be to quit trying to make the speakers more powerful. Anybody who lived through the '70s and '80s will remember the days of getting on public transportation or trying to hang out in public places only to be treated to somebody else's idea of music at high volume. It was such a relief when the Walkman and later mp3 players/ipods had everybody using headphones again. I'm not anxious to go back.

return0 10y ago

That image makes me want an iphone with the original form factor. They could use the entire face for screen and put the button on the side.

dep_b 10y ago
This. The X version of the iPhone SE. Pun intended.

nachtigall 10y ago

"The revolution continues" (or "Uber movement", the other frontpage entry on HN) - why does this all sound like communist propaganda?!

yellow_viper 10y ago
If anything it's capitalist propaganda but this site is small enough and full of enough educated people that we can read things like this subjectively and then bitch about it in the comments.
- nachtigall 10y ago
  Sure, but it's interesting that now that the communist (in the mainstream meaning) counterpart does not exist anymore (except small enclaves like Cuba or North Korea) - that big capitalist corporates - or their propaganda, pardon, public relations department - take over the very same language. Also a bit of Orwell's Newspeak in here as well. In the end it's funny of course :)
tdkl 10y ago
The iPhone itself is marketed with "communist" propaganda - one true smartphone for everyone and customization being hindered down that all the desktops on it are basically the same. Which is hilarious based on the "think different" mantra.

yellow_viper 10y ago

I've owned almost every model of the iPhone, and they stopped innovating a long time ago. Until they catch up with things like wireless charging - or introduce something 'revolutionary' like a shatter-proof screen or a graphene rapid charge battery - I won't be buying another iPhone. They've stagnated over the past few years while Android overtakes them.

cromwellian 10y ago

Every release they always say "this is the biggest release ever!" The superlatives, hyperbole, and hagiography are wearing kind of thin at this point. I'm not saying anything bad about the iPhone, but I can really do without the constant "magical! amazing! beautiful! best ever!" stuff. At this point, can't they just rest on having a great product without the need to amp up the marketing so over the top?

patricius 10y ago
What's a realistic alternative? "Here is our new somewhat improved iPhone... Buy it if you want to." Marketing is marketing.
- nachtigall 10y ago
  When people start noticing that it's Superlative Bullshit Bingo, then it's bad marketing actually ;)
- cromwellian 10y ago
  Have you looked at how Google, Amazon, or Microsoft market things? The volume level is not where over the top. There have been versions of IOS I'd call significant large releases. The issue with Apple is they act like every release is a revolutionary upgrade. IMHO, build great products， be proud of them, and people will come. The superlative stuff just sounds inauthentic these days.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Quite. I gotta say i love the people at Google is willing to fail on stage, and pull comedy antics (like donning stripper pants in preparation for demoing a exercise bike dock).
nicky0 10y ago
Surely they always say it's the "best iPhone ever", because it is. No sane company is going to say "it's the second best <product> ever, the last one was the best and we decided to make the new one worse".

bane 10y ago

Not an iPhone user, but Apple entering the smartphone market was a great thing for consumers I believe. Even if the first iPhone was just a very polished iteration of all the other smartphones on the market, it brought Apple's relentless focus on polish as well as business savvy to the market, it also catalyzed Google and a bunch of other companies to jump into the fray once Apple cleared the way with telecom providers. Before the iPhone, carriers billed on individual metrics like bytes transferred or connections to servers, the first few months of iPhone bills were sometimes hundreds of pages long. The real revolution that Apple brought was in forcing carriers to become one step closer to being dumb pipes. It's an agreement that even today no other maker of Smartphone has really quite gotten to with the same companies. Google phones still ship with crapware on them. At the same time, Apple showed structural weaknesses in competitors and exploited them, Microsoft, Nokia, Blackberry, Palm, etc. all couldn't build offerings as good as the iPhone and if it weren't for Google we'd very much be using a monoculture of devices these days. At the same time Android devices took a "try it first, try it every which way" approach that has also forced the iPhone to come along kicking and screaming, then putting Apple in a position to integrate some new innovative feature that Android devices don't have, putting them both into a state of perpetual innovation. Consumers win in this and I find it remarkable how many things the little device in my pocket has simply and entirely replaced.

notheguyouthink 10y ago
> Google phones still ship with crapware on them Note, these usually aren't "Google phones", they just happen to have Google's OS on it. Eg, i haven't dealt with crapware on my phone in ~7years, as i don't buy phones from 3rd parties who have incentives to put crapware on the phone. If Apple allowed anyone else to use their OS, i'm sure iPhone would have crapware on it too. Well, unless Apple had a contract that required a clean OS, which i would honestly hope they would - i'm annoyed Google doesn't.
- bane 10y ago
  My phone a couple phones ago was a Nexus on Verizon, it was pretty much stock Android except for a couple pieces of Verizon garbage that ended up on the phone and I couldn't remove without rooting. The next phone, a Samsung Note 3 had Samsung's adoring additions, but less what I'd consider "crapware". My current phone, a Nexus 6p, on Google Fi is pure Android, and finally doesn't have any extra nonsense on it. (I also had a couple other Android phones before these that also had various carrier garbage on them). Apple hasn't allowed this nonsense on their phones ever AFAIK and it's amazing that you can still buy an Android device, or at least a flagship one, that has anything but the stock OS on it. Considering that Android devices are by far more often sold than iOS devices, it's frankly inexcusable at this point.

S_A_P 10y ago

If you completely buy in to apples ecosystem it is really quite nice. I just got the Apple Watch and use it to unlock my MacBook. I know there are phone apps for this and it's not unique to apple but the Apple Watch implementation works perfectly. It waits until you wake up the screen and gives you feedback on the watch in case you're in range but not at the computer. After purchasing the iPhone in 2007 I switched to Mac. I now use Mac windows and Linux but all on Mac hardware. I guess the iPhone was the gateway drug for me.

nicky0 10y ago
TBH you don't need to completely buy in to Apple ecosystem. I use iPhone just fine with Fastmail, Dropbox, Spotify and Google Photos.
- S_A_P 10y ago
  That's true- my perspective is that it's great hardware to run whatever software/OS you need.

jaxomlotus 10y ago

As an app creator, I have bought almost every new iPhone model since the original. Having used the iPhone 7+ now for a few months I can honestly say that every time I want to use my existing headphones, I get super frustrated at the dongles I need to connect/disconnect. And no, I don't want to buy a pair of headphones I need to charge all the time or that I will lose when they fall out of my ears. I think this is my last iPhone purchase for personal use.

TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
I agree. It's an infuriating decision. And a pointless one. If the 7 had a headphone jack, buying it would be a no-brainer. As it is I've held off upgrading because to get the same basic functionality I'm going to have to spend $$$$ on dongles or an external Bluetooth DAC or wireless headphones or something to replace a connector that costs maybe $0.10 in bulk. Instead of buying and using the damn phone I'm having to engineer a solution around it to get it to do something that previous versions did effortlessly. It's a decision that adds cost and complications, but provides absolutely no user benefit.
listic 10y ago
There's always SE. Sturdy, proven design, headphone jack and sane (one-handable, pocketable) size. As much as I'd want to like Android, there's nothing of this size left there. I hope Apple will continue this line into the future.
- pmontra 10y ago
  There is the Sony Xperia X Compact from September 2016. It's slightly larger and much thicker (9.5 mm) and it weights more. Still the closest one. It came with Android 6 and got an OTA update to 7 in mid December. It's fast and the battery always lasts 2.x days to me, I charge it again at around 20%. It lasted 3 days 18 hours last time over a long weekend, down to 9%. I checked and I made 8 hours of screen activity so it wasn't in my pocket all the time. Given how long it lasts I wish they traded some battery to make the phone thinner and lighter, exactly as the SE. http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_x_compact-8292.php

beautifulfreak 10y ago

A graph of cumulative iPhone sales shows that about half the total were sold in the last two years (1). In November 2013, Horace Dedieu of Asymco fit the sales trend to a logistics curve (2), but in August 2016 showed even faster adoption (3) Tim Cook's enthusiasm seems warranted. (1)https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_5390_cumulative_iphone_sales_n.jpg https://infographic.statista.com/normal/chartoftheday_5390_c... (2)http://www.asymco.com/2013/11/25/one-billion-ios-devices/ http://www.asymco.com/2013/11/25/one-billion-ios-devices/ (3)http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screen-Shot-2016-08-17-at-9.23.26-PM-620x442.png http://www.asymco.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Screen-Shot...