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"Great Web Site, Pixar" -- Seriously?

32 points by akent 16y ago

sosuke 16y ago
Sure, I am a Flash developer and I also love my HTML/CSS/JavaScript too but the comments on that page he linked out too just make me sad. When I saw this on the new page I kind of hoped it wouldn't find it's way up, that kind of misdirected hate just doesn't sit well with me.
joubert 16y ago
I'm thinking more along the lines of: Toy Story THREE?
- locopati 16y ago
  If you could guarantee money from extending an existing franchise, wouldn't you? It's not like Pixar is releasing sequels every year or two for all their movies.
  - joubert 16y ago
    I was just commenting as a film lover.
    - locopati 16y ago
      As a fellow film lover, TS2 was enjoyable and I expect TS3 will be as well (in the sense that even the worst Pixar film is better than many other attempts at animated storytelling, at the very least in visual/audio quality).
- wendroid 16y ago
  Just you wait for -1
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  - nkassis 16y ago
    Yeah but it was a pretty good movie and my nephew a big fan of towmater (that might be cause his dad makes a perfect impression of it ;p)
- jcl 16y ago
  Have you seen Toy Story 2? It is actually a decent movie. It was originally slated to be a typical Disney direct-to-video sequel. But the Pixar guys didn't want to do substandard work, so they worked hard on the preproduction and managed to convince the Disney execs that it was worthy of a theatrical release. Four years later, the story repeats itself: Disney's five-movie partnership with Pixar ends and Disney owns all the movie characters, so they decide to make a direct-to-video Toy Story 3 with their in-house studios. Then Eisner leaves, Disney buys Pixar, the Pixar guys are put in charge of Disney Animation Studios, and Toy Story 3 gets shelved so that it can be redone from scratch as a theatrical release by Pixar. Given the history, I expect that it, too, will be a decent film.
CoryMathews 16y ago
Goes to show that the Internet is still not ready to completely leave flash. All the more reason why Apple needs to get over themselves and support flash. Push HTML5 because yes it is better but support flash until it is no longer used.
- davidedicillo 16y ago
  The problem is that even if Apple supported Flash, it wouldn't probably work anyway... http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/08/android-flash-demo-flashcamp-seattle/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/08/android-flash-demo-fla...
- Pheter 16y ago
  Regardless of the whole Apple/Flash issue: Refusing to support older technologies helps encourage people to start using the newer technologies. If everyone dropped support for flash (obviously this wouldn't actually happen) then developers would be forced to use alternatives. If flash continues to be supported then developers have less of an incentive to replace their current solutions.
  - weego 16y ago
    developers can only do what most people can experience well. HTML5 uses today are on sites where most people use a primary alternative, and most of these people have a vested interest (Youtube for market share on mobile devices, hearts and minds and also future for licencing technologies etc). It would be an irresponsible developer that let loose with full HTML5 site aimed at "normal" people any time soon if they didnt provide a full standard HTML version as well, which begs a huge budget question. Unless they have no marketing department or CTO to answer to of course.
    - Pheter 16y ago
      Exactly, and if support for flash dwindles, then developers will move to other platforms that "most people can experience well".
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pragmatic 16y ago
Tested it on my android based phone. Works. I'm wondering what a media rich site _should_ do in this case. Can you really afford to build 2 (or _n_ ) sites for every available device, when cheap hardware (netbooks, phones) will play flash?
- crystalis 16y ago
  Maybe this is Apple's way of being the next Internet Explorer?
weego 16y ago
I don't even really know where to start with the lazy stupidity of the linked through posts. Yes, your 0.002% market penetration new toy doesn't support Flash, and yes you trawled the net for a site that had no alt content for it's Flash content aimed at a demographic that will be 99% Flash enabled. Marketing is not a business that deals in 100%s, neither is web development. If you chose specifically to be in the 1% then there is no big message here, no champagne room, no deep-rooted moral to martyr. Disney had a demographic in mind and a marketing experience they wanted those people to have and spent their money accordingly. Something any number of companies do every day.
- kiujhygfghjk 16y ago
  I think the point is that Pixar is owned and manged by Jobs. It's a little like finding that MS-Bing doesn't work with IE8
  - froo 16y ago
    *owned by Disney and managed by Jim Morris (he produced WALL-E) Although, you could argue that Catmull and Lasseter are more responsible for this than Jobs is...
    - immad 16y ago
      From 86 to 2006 it was run by Steve Jobs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar
RyanMcGreal 16y ago
From the flickr comments: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/4594658152/#comment72157623905977665 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/4594658152/#comment72157...
eli 16y ago
I agree that they should also include content for non-flash browsers (in addition to iPads, it's a heckuva lot friendlier to screen readers for the blind). But at some point it is fair to draw a line. A very small percentage of my visitors are using IE5. My sites don't work at all in IE5. I don't intend to address this problem.
jasonlbaptiste 16y ago
There are logical times to roast people for using flash over html5, this is not one of them. For really advanced animation like movie sites, Flash is sadly still king. HTML5 can get there. I also don't know how involved steve jobs is on a day to day basis at pixar anymore. I'm pretty sure he isn't reviewing the website though.
lazugod 16y ago
That is not Pixar's website.
tszming 16y ago
The site should detect iphone/ipad/ibad and display something like: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/03/iphone.flash.jpg http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/03/iphone.flash.... It does not make sense to provide a link to download flash on these devices.
matrix 16y ago
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm thinking Flash bashing has pretty much reached dead horse status. Possibly even "red smear on the ground" status. Worrying about what the pundits say isn't going to help us execute, unless the pundit is someone with hard-won expertise and experience in what you're doing/building. Just pick the right tool for your product and market and run with it.
caryme 16y ago
I think that the real irony is seeing this after Apple used Toy Story 3 as the demo for iAd.
ergo98 16y ago
On a serious note -- was John Gruber ever known for anything besides being a ridiculously biased Apple apologist? I do remember reading his site and enjoying it in the past. Now...holy shit I can't stand it. It's like reading an eager hopeful of the politburo trying to impress the communist ranks. All credibility has long gone out the window.
hoffmabc 16y ago
John Gruber is a retard. He eats every chocolate dropping Apple squeezes out.

32 points by akent 16y ago

Sure, I am a Flash developer and I also love my HTML/CSS/JavaScript too but the comments on that page he linked out too just make me sad. When I saw this on the new page I kind of hoped it wouldn't find it's way up, that kind of misdirected hate just doesn't sit well with me.

joubert 16y ago

I'm thinking more along the lines of: Toy Story THREE?

locopati 16y ago
If you could guarantee money from extending an existing franchise, wouldn't you? It's not like Pixar is releasing sequels every year or two for all their movies.
- joubert 16y ago
  I was just commenting as a film lover.
  - locopati 16y ago
    As a fellow film lover, TS2 was enjoyable and I expect TS3 will be as well (in the sense that even the worst Pixar film is better than many other attempts at animated storytelling, at the very least in visual/audio quality).
wendroid 16y ago
Just you wait for -1
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- nkassis 16y ago
  Yeah but it was a pretty good movie and my nephew a big fan of towmater (that might be cause his dad makes a perfect impression of it ;p)
jcl 16y ago
Have you seen Toy Story 2? It is actually a decent movie. It was originally slated to be a typical Disney direct-to-video sequel. But the Pixar guys didn't want to do substandard work, so they worked hard on the preproduction and managed to convince the Disney execs that it was worthy of a theatrical release. Four years later, the story repeats itself: Disney's five-movie partnership with Pixar ends and Disney owns all the movie characters, so they decide to make a direct-to-video Toy Story 3 with their in-house studios. Then Eisner leaves, Disney buys Pixar, the Pixar guys are put in charge of Disney Animation Studios, and Toy Story 3 gets shelved so that it can be redone from scratch as a theatrical release by Pixar. Given the history, I expect that it, too, will be a decent film.

CoryMathews 16y ago

Goes to show that the Internet is still not ready to completely leave flash. All the more reason why Apple needs to get over themselves and support flash. Push HTML5 because yes it is better but support flash until it is no longer used.

davidedicillo 16y ago
The problem is that even if Apple supported Flash, it wouldn't probably work anyway... http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/08/android-flash-demo-flashcamp-seattle/ http://jeffcroft.com/blog/2010/may/08/android-flash-demo-fla...
Pheter 16y ago
Regardless of the whole Apple/Flash issue: Refusing to support older technologies helps encourage people to start using the newer technologies. If everyone dropped support for flash (obviously this wouldn't actually happen) then developers would be forced to use alternatives. If flash continues to be supported then developers have less of an incentive to replace their current solutions.
- weego 16y ago
  developers can only do what most people can experience well. HTML5 uses today are on sites where most people use a primary alternative, and most of these people have a vested interest (Youtube for market share on mobile devices, hearts and minds and also future for licencing technologies etc). It would be an irresponsible developer that let loose with full HTML5 site aimed at "normal" people any time soon if they didnt provide a full standard HTML version as well, which begs a huge budget question. Unless they have no marketing department or CTO to answer to of course.
  - Pheter 16y ago
    Exactly, and if support for flash dwindles, then developers will move to other platforms that "most people can experience well".
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pragmatic 16y ago

Tested it on my android based phone. Works. I'm wondering what a media rich site _should_ do in this case. Can you really afford to build 2 (or _n_ ) sites for every available device, when cheap hardware (netbooks, phones) will play flash?

crystalis 16y ago
Maybe this is Apple's way of being the next Internet Explorer?

weego 16y ago

I don't even really know where to start with the lazy stupidity of the linked through posts. Yes, your 0.002% market penetration new toy doesn't support Flash, and yes you trawled the net for a site that had no alt content for it's Flash content aimed at a demographic that will be 99% Flash enabled. Marketing is not a business that deals in 100%s, neither is web development. If you chose specifically to be in the 1% then there is no big message here, no champagne room, no deep-rooted moral to martyr. Disney had a demographic in mind and a marketing experience they wanted those people to have and spent their money accordingly. Something any number of companies do every day.

kiujhygfghjk 16y ago
I think the point is that Pixar is owned and manged by Jobs. It's a little like finding that MS-Bing doesn't work with IE8
- froo 16y ago
  *owned by Disney and managed by Jim Morris (he produced WALL-E) Although, you could argue that Catmull and Lasseter are more responsible for this than Jobs is...
  - immad 16y ago
    From 86 to 2006 it was run by Steve Jobs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixar

RyanMcGreal 16y ago

From the flickr comments: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/4594658152/#comment72157623905977665 http://www.flickr.com/photos/gruber/4594658152/#comment72157...

eli 16y ago

I agree that they should also include content for non-flash browsers (in addition to iPads, it's a heckuva lot friendlier to screen readers for the blind). But at some point it is fair to draw a line. A very small percentage of my visitors are using IE5. My sites don't work at all in IE5. I don't intend to address this problem.

jasonlbaptiste 16y ago

There are logical times to roast people for using flash over html5, this is not one of them. For really advanced animation like movie sites, Flash is sadly still king. HTML5 can get there. I also don't know how involved steve jobs is on a day to day basis at pixar anymore. I'm pretty sure he isn't reviewing the website though.

lazugod 16y ago

That is not Pixar's website.

tszming 16y ago

The site should detect iphone/ipad/ibad and display something like: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/03/iphone.flash.jpg http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/03/iphone.flash.... It does not make sense to provide a link to download flash on these devices.

matrix 16y ago

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm thinking Flash bashing has pretty much reached dead horse status. Possibly even "red smear on the ground" status. Worrying about what the pundits say isn't going to help us execute, unless the pundit is someone with hard-won expertise and experience in what you're doing/building. Just pick the right tool for your product and market and run with it.

caryme 16y ago

I think that the real irony is seeing this after Apple used Toy Story 3 as the demo for iAd.

ergo98 16y ago

On a serious note -- was John Gruber ever known for anything besides being a ridiculously biased Apple apologist? I do remember reading his site and enjoying it in the past. Now...holy shit I can't stand it. It's like reading an eager hopeful of the politburo trying to impress the communist ranks. All credibility has long gone out the window.

hoffmabc 16y ago

John Gruber is a retard. He eats every chocolate dropping Apple squeezes out.