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If I recall correctly, the NYT website was blocked a few months ago when it published an unflattering (e.g. allegations of cronyism) article on Xi Jinping. The

If I recall correctly, the NYT website was blocked a few months ago when it published an unflattering (e.g. allegations of cronyism) article on Xi Jinping. The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them[0]. [0] http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html

hackuser 10y ago
> The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them I don't see it at all. The Times' reporting is equally critical, and in much greater volume, of the U.S., U.K., and probably others. The job of journalists, to a great extent, is to inform the public about problems; afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. It's not bias against China, it's the same journalism practiced everywhere about everyone. The link doesn't really back up its claims. These are the NYT headlines it cites as "bashing": * Hong Kong Protesters Seek Democracy. * Discovery of Melamine-Tainted Milk Shuts Shanghai Dairy. * Index of China’s Manufacturing Rose Sharply in December. * Telecom Company to Pay $3 Million in China Bribe Case. * China: Xinjiang Enacts a Curb on Dissent. * A pioneering editor who resigned amid [government censor] controversy last fall … named editor in chief of a new publication. * China and 10 Southeast Asian nations ushered in the world’s third-largest free-trade area. * Chinese Businesses Resist Eviction by Developers. * U.S. Duties on Pipes From China Approved. * China Executes Briton Despite Appeals. It's not even all negative, and does not differ from reporting about everywhere else. One reason I like the NYT is that everyone thinks the Times is biased against them: The Clintons, Trump, progressives, liberals, conservatives, etc.
- analog31 10y ago
  Ironically, these are among the "working class" issues that the liberal establishment press is accused of ignoring. And the Chinese government are not the only people threatening the New York Times.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
It was Wen Jiaobao and much earlier than Xi Dai. Economist and Time were recently blocked because of Xi jinping articles. "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china, any kind of criticism is applied the term. The CPC just cannot accept criticism from anyone in any form, so they block it all out. Only low value news sources like CNN and Fox remain. Chinese are incredibly self critical in china but do not like it when foreigners are. Face is a huge deal in Chinese culture.
- olalonde 10y ago
  > "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china I understand it as being overly or gratuitously critical of China but of course, it's hard to define objectively. Personally, I feel like most American media is biased against China but I hold a relatively positive view of China.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Try living in china for a few years, once the honey moon is over :). Dealing with the air pollution, GFW, hideous traffic, and currency controls will wear a guy down.
    - olalonde 10y ago
      I lived there for 6 years and my wife is from Guangxi. Of course China isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as most Western media depict it to be. For one, it isn't a dictatorship as most people in the West seem to think it is. I certainly don't support the censorship but I quite like their foreign policy for example.
      - xiaoma 10y ago
        Seriously? Since 1960, China has invaded India, Vietnam, and less successfully Russia. In all three cases, China started it. It's also been threatening to invade Taiwan for decades, despite Taiwan never having been part of the PRC based on the historical claims going back to the Qing Dynasty. In the south China sea, rather than accept a treaty that all neighboring countries including China signed, China prefers to go by an old Chinese map. Rather than accept the international ruling upholding the treaty, China condemned it and increased their militarization of international waters. To the best of my knowledge, China has territorial disputes with every single one of its many neighbors, though they may back off their claim to 20% of Tajikistan since Tajikstan ceded just under 1% of its territory a few years ago. I can see why a Chinese citizen might like their foreign policy, but it sure is rough for their neighbors: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-disputes-with-18-countries-imperialism-or-expansionist-designs/10153551812290247/ https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-dis...

hackuser 10y ago

> The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them I don't see it at all. The Times' reporting is equally critical, and in much greater volume, of the U.S., U.K., and probably others. The job of journalists, to a great extent, is to inform the public about problems; afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. It's not bias against China, it's the same journalism practiced everywhere about everyone. The link doesn't really back up its claims. These are the NYT headlines it cites as "bashing": * Hong Kong Protesters Seek Democracy. * Discovery of Melamine-Tainted Milk Shuts Shanghai Dairy. * Index of China’s Manufacturing Rose Sharply in December. * Telecom Company to Pay $3 Million in China Bribe Case. * China: Xinjiang Enacts a Curb on Dissent. * A pioneering editor who resigned amid [government censor] controversy last fall … named editor in chief of a new publication. * China and 10 Southeast Asian nations ushered in the world’s third-largest free-trade area. * Chinese Businesses Resist Eviction by Developers. * U.S. Duties on Pipes From China Approved. * China Executes Briton Despite Appeals. It's not even all negative, and does not differ from reporting about everywhere else. One reason I like the NYT is that everyone thinks the Times is biased against them: The Clintons, Trump, progressives, liberals, conservatives, etc.

analog31 10y ago
Ironically, these are among the "working class" issues that the liberal establishment press is accused of ignoring. And the Chinese government are not the only people threatening the New York Times.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

It was Wen Jiaobao and much earlier than Xi Dai. Economist and Time were recently blocked because of Xi jinping articles. "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china, any kind of criticism is applied the term. The CPC just cannot accept criticism from anyone in any form, so they block it all out. Only low value news sources like CNN and Fox remain. Chinese are incredibly self critical in china but do not like it when foreigners are. Face is a huge deal in Chinese culture.

olalonde 10y ago
> "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china I understand it as being overly or gratuitously critical of China but of course, it's hard to define objectively. Personally, I feel like most American media is biased against China but I hold a relatively positive view of China.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  Try living in china for a few years, once the honey moon is over :). Dealing with the air pollution, GFW, hideous traffic, and currency controls will wear a guy down.
  - olalonde 10y ago
    I lived there for 6 years and my wife is from Guangxi. Of course China isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as most Western media depict it to be. For one, it isn't a dictatorship as most people in the West seem to think it is. I certainly don't support the censorship but I quite like their foreign policy for example.
    - xiaoma 10y ago
      Seriously? Since 1960, China has invaded India, Vietnam, and less successfully Russia. In all three cases, China started it. It's also been threatening to invade Taiwan for decades, despite Taiwan never having been part of the PRC based on the historical claims going back to the Qing Dynasty. In the south China sea, rather than accept a treaty that all neighboring countries including China signed, China prefers to go by an old Chinese map. Rather than accept the international ruling upholding the treaty, China condemned it and increased their militarization of international waters. To the best of my knowledge, China has territorial disputes with every single one of its many neighbors, though they may back off their claim to 20% of Tajikistan since Tajikstan ceded just under 1% of its territory a few years ago. I can see why a Chinese citizen might like their foreign policy, but it sure is rough for their neighbors: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-disputes-with-18-countries-imperialism-or-expansionist-designs/10153551812290247/ https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-dis...