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Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? This should be a badge of honor

Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? This should be a badge of honor for any news source. The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities.

olalonde 10y ago
If I recall correctly, the NYT website was blocked a few months ago when it published an unflattering (e.g. allegations of cronyism) article on Xi Jinping. The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them[0]. [0] http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html
- hackuser 10y ago
  > The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them I don't see it at all. The Times' reporting is equally critical, and in much greater volume, of the U.S., U.K., and probably others. The job of journalists, to a great extent, is to inform the public about problems; afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. It's not bias against China, it's the same journalism practiced everywhere about everyone. The link doesn't really back up its claims. These are the NYT headlines it cites as "bashing": * Hong Kong Protesters Seek Democracy. * Discovery of Melamine-Tainted Milk Shuts Shanghai Dairy. * Index of China’s Manufacturing Rose Sharply in December. * Telecom Company to Pay $3 Million in China Bribe Case. * China: Xinjiang Enacts a Curb on Dissent. * A pioneering editor who resigned amid [government censor] controversy last fall … named editor in chief of a new publication. * China and 10 Southeast Asian nations ushered in the world’s third-largest free-trade area. * Chinese Businesses Resist Eviction by Developers. * U.S. Duties on Pipes From China Approved. * China Executes Briton Despite Appeals. It's not even all negative, and does not differ from reporting about everywhere else. One reason I like the NYT is that everyone thinks the Times is biased against them: The Clintons, Trump, progressives, liberals, conservatives, etc.
  - analog31 10y ago
    Ironically, these are among the "working class" issues that the liberal establishment press is accused of ignoring. And the Chinese government are not the only people threatening the New York Times.
- seanmcdirmid 10y ago
  It was Wen Jiaobao and much earlier than Xi Dai. Economist and Time were recently blocked because of Xi jinping articles. "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china, any kind of criticism is applied the term. The CPC just cannot accept criticism from anyone in any form, so they block it all out. Only low value news sources like CNN and Fox remain. Chinese are incredibly self critical in china but do not like it when foreigners are. Face is a huge deal in Chinese culture.
  - olalonde 10y ago
    > "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china I understand it as being overly or gratuitously critical of China but of course, it's hard to define objectively. Personally, I feel like most American media is biased against China but I hold a relatively positive view of China.
    - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
      Try living in china for a few years, once the honey moon is over :). Dealing with the air pollution, GFW, hideous traffic, and currency controls will wear a guy down.
      - olalonde 10y ago
        I lived there for 6 years and my wife is from Guangxi. Of course China isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as most Western media depict it to be. For one, it isn't a dictatorship as most people in the West seem to think it is. I certainly don't support the censorship but I quite like their foreign policy for example.
        xiaoma 10y ago
        Seriously? Since 1960, China has invaded India, Vietnam, and less successfully Russia. In all three cases, China started it. It's also been threatening to invade Taiwan for decades, despite Taiwan never having been part of the PRC based on the historical claims going back to the Qing Dynasty. In the south China sea, rather than accept a treaty that all neighboring countries including China signed, China prefers to go by an old Chinese map. Rather than accept the international ruling upholding the treaty, China condemned it and increased their militarization of international waters. To the best of my knowledge, China has territorial disputes with every single one of its many neighbors, though they may back off their claim to 20% of Tajikistan since Tajikstan ceded just under 1% of its territory a few years ago. I can see why a Chinese citizen might like their foreign policy, but it sure is rough for their neighbors: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-disputes-with-18-countries-imperialism-or-expansionist-designs/10153551812290247/ https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-dis...
eternalban 10y ago
> Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? It is an interesting question. > The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities. I don't think that is true. Some of us marched against the Iraq war post 911 in quite substantial numbers. I still remember the demo in DC that went from the Mall to Navy Yard. It was huuuuge as the incoming President would have it. Did New Times put a front page picture with screaming headline about our demonstrations? Nope. (I think Washinton Post mentioned it in the Metro section.) Compare to when Egyptians took to the streets. It was certainly front page on The New York Times, our self designated "paper of record".
- hackuser 10y ago
  Your demonstration is one incident. Just look at the NY Times homepage daily; you will find continual challenges to those in authority in the U.S. Perhaps they should do more or differently, but they certainly do it. And regardless, my main point was they challenge U.S. authority more than Chinese authority, which also seems hard to debate if you look at their website.
  - eternalban 10y ago
    > Your demonstration is one incident. Are you telling me that if the equivalent of /The Patriot Act/ was created in China, or Russia, or take-your-pick-enemy-dujour, and passed unread by the legislature of that nation The New York Times would not skewer them in print and run multipage spreads in the Sunday Magazine detailing every questionable aspect? Remind me: How did The New York Times cover that event.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      I can't really answer, and I'm not interested in, what happens in a hypothetical world. Can you provide some links to real-world info that answers your last question? Here are some facts: The Times broke, and heavily reported the NSA illegal surveillance story under Bush, Snowden's leaks, Hillary Clinton's email server, Trump's tax non-payment, and much, much more. I'm not here to be their defender, but it doesn't help advance knowledge or our world to bash them.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
They are all blocked. Even WSJ, which was mostly pro China, or Bloomberg, which is seriously pro China. Economist fell last year, there aren't many news sources left....maybe CNN and Fox News that don't do much serious reporting (ironic I started reading nytimes in china in 2002 because CNN was blocked). Note even if the app is in the App Store, it isn't necessary that it will work. Nytimes app needs a connection to nytimes.com get news. So the app is useless without a VPN, and you can also get the app if you set your region to the USA (I have both Chinese store and USA apps on my idevices, some apps like didi and xiami aren't on the USA store).

olalonde 10y ago

If I recall correctly, the NYT website was blocked a few months ago when it published an unflattering (e.g. allegations of cronyism) article on Xi Jinping. The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them[0]. [0] http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/01/china-bashing.html

hackuser 10y ago
> The NYT is also pretty heavy on "China-bashing" though that's not really unique to them I don't see it at all. The Times' reporting is equally critical, and in much greater volume, of the U.S., U.K., and probably others. The job of journalists, to a great extent, is to inform the public about problems; afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted. It's not bias against China, it's the same journalism practiced everywhere about everyone. The link doesn't really back up its claims. These are the NYT headlines it cites as "bashing": * Hong Kong Protesters Seek Democracy. * Discovery of Melamine-Tainted Milk Shuts Shanghai Dairy. * Index of China’s Manufacturing Rose Sharply in December. * Telecom Company to Pay $3 Million in China Bribe Case. * China: Xinjiang Enacts a Curb on Dissent. * A pioneering editor who resigned amid [government censor] controversy last fall … named editor in chief of a new publication. * China and 10 Southeast Asian nations ushered in the world’s third-largest free-trade area. * Chinese Businesses Resist Eviction by Developers. * U.S. Duties on Pipes From China Approved. * China Executes Briton Despite Appeals. It's not even all negative, and does not differ from reporting about everywhere else. One reason I like the NYT is that everyone thinks the Times is biased against them: The Clintons, Trump, progressives, liberals, conservatives, etc.
- analog31 10y ago
  Ironically, these are among the "working class" issues that the liberal establishment press is accused of ignoring. And the Chinese government are not the only people threatening the New York Times.
seanmcdirmid 10y ago
It was Wen Jiaobao and much earlier than Xi Dai. Economist and Time were recently blocked because of Xi jinping articles. "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china, any kind of criticism is applied the term. The CPC just cannot accept criticism from anyone in any form, so they block it all out. Only low value news sources like CNN and Fox remain. Chinese are incredibly self critical in china but do not like it when foreigners are. Face is a huge deal in Chinese culture.
- olalonde 10y ago
  > "China bashing" is simply a euphemism for being critical on china I understand it as being overly or gratuitously critical of China but of course, it's hard to define objectively. Personally, I feel like most American media is biased against China but I hold a relatively positive view of China.
  - seanmcdirmid 10y ago
    Try living in china for a few years, once the honey moon is over :). Dealing with the air pollution, GFW, hideous traffic, and currency controls will wear a guy down.
    - olalonde 10y ago
      I lived there for 6 years and my wife is from Guangxi. Of course China isn't perfect but it isn't as bad as most Western media depict it to be. For one, it isn't a dictatorship as most people in the West seem to think it is. I certainly don't support the censorship but I quite like their foreign policy for example.
      - xiaoma 10y ago
        Seriously? Since 1960, China has invaded India, Vietnam, and less successfully Russia. In all three cases, China started it. It's also been threatening to invade Taiwan for decades, despite Taiwan never having been part of the PRC based on the historical claims going back to the Qing Dynasty. In the south China sea, rather than accept a treaty that all neighboring countries including China signed, China prefers to go by an old Chinese map. Rather than accept the international ruling upholding the treaty, China condemned it and increased their militarization of international waters. To the best of my knowledge, China has territorial disputes with every single one of its many neighbors, though they may back off their claim to 20% of Tajikistan since Tajikstan ceded just under 1% of its territory a few years ago. I can see why a Chinese citizen might like their foreign policy, but it sure is rough for their neighbors: https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-disputes-with-18-countries-imperialism-or-expansionist-designs/10153551812290247/ https://www.facebook.com/notes/tarek-fatah/chinas-border-dis...

eternalban 10y ago

> Why are other publications (the Wall Street Journal and Financial Times are mentioned) doing to keep Chinese authorities happy? It is an interesting question. > The NY Times doesn't publish anything about China that they don't publish about many other countries. Certainly coverage of the U.S. and U.K. is much more challenging to those authorities. I don't think that is true. Some of us marched against the Iraq war post 911 in quite substantial numbers. I still remember the demo in DC that went from the Mall to Navy Yard. It was huuuuge as the incoming President would have it. Did New Times put a front page picture with screaming headline about our demonstrations? Nope. (I think Washinton Post mentioned it in the Metro section.) Compare to when Egyptians took to the streets. It was certainly front page on The New York Times, our self designated "paper of record".

hackuser 10y ago
Your demonstration is one incident. Just look at the NY Times homepage daily; you will find continual challenges to those in authority in the U.S. Perhaps they should do more or differently, but they certainly do it. And regardless, my main point was they challenge U.S. authority more than Chinese authority, which also seems hard to debate if you look at their website.
- eternalban 10y ago
  > Your demonstration is one incident. Are you telling me that if the equivalent of /The Patriot Act/ was created in China, or Russia, or take-your-pick-enemy-dujour, and passed unread by the legislature of that nation The New York Times would not skewer them in print and run multipage spreads in the Sunday Magazine detailing every questionable aspect? Remind me: How did The New York Times cover that event.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    I can't really answer, and I'm not interested in, what happens in a hypothetical world. Can you provide some links to real-world info that answers your last question? Here are some facts: The Times broke, and heavily reported the NSA illegal surveillance story under Bush, Snowden's leaks, Hillary Clinton's email server, Trump's tax non-payment, and much, much more. I'm not here to be their defender, but it doesn't help advance knowledge or our world to bash them.

seanmcdirmid 10y ago

They are all blocked. Even WSJ, which was mostly pro China, or Bloomberg, which is seriously pro China. Economist fell last year, there aren't many news sources left....maybe CNN and Fox News that don't do much serious reporting (ironic I started reading nytimes in china in 2002 because CNN was blocked). Note even if the app is in the App Store, it isn't necessary that it will work. Nytimes app needs a connection to nytimes.com get news. So the app is useless without a VPN, and you can also get the app if you set your region to the USA (I have both Chinese store and USA apps on my idevices, some apps like didi and xiami aren't on the USA store).