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The Real Name Fallacy is social nostalgia- if we all could go back to the village, then everything would be good? The solution for this and fake news, would be

The Real Name Fallacy is social nostalgia- if we all could go back to the village, then everything would be good? The solution for this and fake news, would be chains of trust. I do not trust my government, i do not trust my media, but i know two or three guys, i would trust too know. If these guys vouched for the guys vouching for the knowledge i see to be true, i would trust that. In return, i can fade the crack-pots opinions with a filter, based upon a similar chain of trust. But this system would need to be decentralized, it would need to allow to withdraw this trust in an instant. Centralize this, and the inherent distrust breaks free time after time again.

vog 10y ago
> But this system would need to be decentralized Back in the times of Usenet, this already existed: The client-side (hence decentral) "Scorefile" and "Killfile".
- NoGravitas 10y ago
  I so often wish that web fora, social media, etc., all worked on a common protocol like a modernized Usenet so that we could use our choice of clients and have useful features like scorefiles. So much ink has been spilled about how Facebook's algorithm chooses what to show you, but imagine having complete control on the client side over both the algorithm, and the parameters tuning it. We used to have this, the only thing stopping it now is bad incentives.
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    That's RSS. Too bad it was a mess of half-articles, intro paragraphs, fake submissions, and a very rare full article mixed in there somewhere.
    - vog 10y ago
      Although there is some truth in this, this is not the full picture. I believe that Usenet has been replaced mainly by mailing lists, not by blogs. Having long-text conversations through blogs is possible, but mailing lists and (what's left of the) Usenet are better suited - the same way as IRC and instant messangers are better suited for chats than email, although you could chat via email as well.
    - eeZah7Ux 10y ago
      No, RSS implement only a fraction of the features of usenet.
zanny 10y ago
The problem is a lot of people are in social circles full of crackpots, so their friends are the crackpots that trust crackpots and spread misinformation. A lot of these anti-reality movements only function because they have the critical mass of participation to not easily be ignored or sidelined. Once you have millions of willing participants in a lie, by that fact alone, it is given legitimacy.
- Pica_soO 10y ago
  Is it just a lie then- or already starting to form a ideology?
Pica_soO 10y ago
Thought about this some more- such reputation systems, suppress anonymous dissent, unless it is lend legitimacy- and they favor self-censorship..

vog 10y ago

> But this system would need to be decentralized Back in the times of Usenet, this already existed: The client-side (hence decentral) "Scorefile" and "Killfile".

NoGravitas 10y ago
I so often wish that web fora, social media, etc., all worked on a common protocol like a modernized Usenet so that we could use our choice of clients and have useful features like scorefiles. So much ink has been spilled about how Facebook's algorithm chooses what to show you, but imagine having complete control on the client side over both the algorithm, and the parameters tuning it. We used to have this, the only thing stopping it now is bad incentives.
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  That's RSS. Too bad it was a mess of half-articles, intro paragraphs, fake submissions, and a very rare full article mixed in there somewhere.
  - vog 10y ago
    Although there is some truth in this, this is not the full picture. I believe that Usenet has been replaced mainly by mailing lists, not by blogs. Having long-text conversations through blogs is possible, but mailing lists and (what's left of the) Usenet are better suited - the same way as IRC and instant messangers are better suited for chats than email, although you could chat via email as well.
  - eeZah7Ux 10y ago
    No, RSS implement only a fraction of the features of usenet.

zanny 10y ago

The problem is a lot of people are in social circles full of crackpots, so their friends are the crackpots that trust crackpots and spread misinformation. A lot of these anti-reality movements only function because they have the critical mass of participation to not easily be ignored or sidelined. Once you have millions of willing participants in a lie, by that fact alone, it is given legitimacy.

Pica_soO 10y ago
Is it just a lie then- or already starting to form a ideology?

Pica_soO 10y ago

Thought about this some more- such reputation systems, suppress anonymous dissent, unless it is lend legitimacy- and they favor self-censorship..