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So instead of bundling into your ticket price the cost of food you may not want or like, they allow people who bring their own to save money, and only charge th

So instead of bundling into your ticket price the cost of food you may not want or like, they allow people who bring their own to save money, and only charge those who consume that particular good. Apparently this is "extortion", somehow? Nonsense.

saiya-jin 10y ago
liquids are, since you cannot bring anything through security checkin. and if you don't drink a single drop on that 14h flight, well you are an exception
- snrplfth 10y ago
  Then buy a drink and pack your own food. In any case, it's hardly the airlines' fault that liquids can't come through security. I just do not see what is so bad about unbundling food from ticket price.
  - fornever 10y ago
    If everyone would start bringing their own food that would lead to a huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers. Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things. There's really enough general unbundling of comfort and efficiency at airports already. I would definitely pay more if even more things was standardized and included for everyone on the flight (like luggage, security, airport seating).
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      Or, people could suck it up and not eat for an hour or two. Sure on longer flights a meal is welcome, but even missing a meal should not be a terrible burden.
      - dpark 10y ago
        No one is complaining about not getting food on a 1-2 hour flight. Many of us routinely take plane flights that are longer than two hours. A cross country flight is 5-6 hours plus 2 hours at the airport before and often a half hour after to get checked baggage. That's an 8-hour day. Sitting on a cramped airplane for 5-6 hours is pretty unpleasant already. Doing it hungry doesn't improve the experience.
        WorldMaker 10y ago
        With 5-6 hours of flight time I'm often lucky if it is only an 8-hour day. I almost never have access to a direct flight cross country, so tack on at least another hour plus taxiing, running to catch a connection, then waiting for the connection to depart. If you let airline algorithms/travel agents select cheapest available flights, the connection is quite possible entirely in the wrong direction, too, adding a bonus hour or two to flight times. I've had companies crazy enough to ask if they could interview me on a cross-country flight day to save themselves a hotel night (after they were already planning to schedule the cheapest flights they could find), and I can only imagine those people have never traveled cross-country much.
        dpark 10y ago
        True. I used to have to connect to fly to see my parents. Add two more hours for that. I can't imagine interviewing the day of a cross-country flight. Even without connecting that would be miserable and probably pointless.
      - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
        When I fly international, it's more like 10-12 hours. Even assuming I had dinner before I boarded, sleep, and then wake up, I'm going to need some breakfast and a decent cup of coffee.
        DrPhish 10y ago
        Then you have an even better incentive to fast, since it has been shown to reduce or eliminate jet lag [0]. I use this protocol on long flights and find it works well, getting me back in action within a day, even after traversing 8 time zones [0] http://harpers.org/blog/2012/03/the-empty-stomach-fasting-to-beat-jet-lag/ http://harpers.org/blog/2012/03/the-empty-stomach-fasting-to...
    - zimzam 10y ago
      You still can pay more for the bundled experience by: 1. Flying legacy carriers who are more bundled than low-cost carriers and/or 2. By purchasing business or first class seats, which often still include all the bundled goodies
      - fornever 10y ago
        I don't generally want to pay for business class, but frequent flyer programs and/or premium economy usually takes care of things like fast track, lounge access and priority boarding. But nothing of that is really special in itself. What I want is an airline that doesn't undermine their own business by making things better for their passengers, but instead have incentive both to make things better and more efficient. If there's no upsell the airline have to make sure things are efficient and there's less reason to hold back on "goodies". I know there have been attempts to make such airlines in the past, but maybe with the new smaller long range aircraft, that can go from smaller airports, and more competitive taxi market, for transfer, it could work.
    - snrplfth 10y ago
      >"huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers." That's generally handled by having a cart with a garbage bag attached that comes by, and having people opening their food on the small trays provided. >"Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things." Yes. It is called a "post-security food court". >"I would definitely pay more if even more things was standardized and included for everyone on the flight (like luggage, security, airport seating)." That's nice for you. A lot of people don't want that, or aren't willing to pay.
      - fornever 10y ago
        > That's generally handled by having a cart with a garbage bag attached that comes by, and having people opening their food on the small trays provided. Considerable effort has already gone into making food service efficient. One of the few reason I can imagine to unbundle food is to have fewer flight attendants. But now you're suggesting they should service the passengers in a random rather than sequential order, as not everyone would want to eat at the same time. A tray doesn't really solve the problem of the person shaking their protein drink (which hopefully stays in it's container), the person having to grab the third thing from the over head storage nor someone spilling their to go coffee over you. Food service is efficient. It comes in bulk, everyone gets served, everyone eats, everyone throws things away, done. > Yes. It is called a "post-security food court". "Amenities" like food courts and shops is a big reason why airports are annoying. If it wasn't for trying to get you to buy overpriced things airport entry would be as efficient as airport exit and not some IKEA style maze.
        snrplfth 10y ago
        >"Food service is efficient. It comes in bulk, everyone gets served, everyone eats, everyone throws things away, done." Great. If an airline finds that it is more efficient that they bundle food with the ticket price, then more power to them. I just don't see why it should be required that they do so. >""Amenities" like food courts and shops is a big reason why airports are annoying." I am sorry that you are annoyed by food courts. On the other hand, I suspect that the fact they are usually full of businesses suggests that many people patronize them and find them useful. Again, I'm not sure what the proposed solution is. Prohibit airports from having food courts?
    - koolba 10y ago
      > If everyone would start bringing their own food that would lead to a huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers. Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things. For any flight over 45 minutes I always bring my own food. It's better than anything I can get on the plane and cheaper too. There's nothing special about going through security as it's in my carry on. Only catch is you can't bring large liquids (so no thermos full of soup). I suppose you could have a set of 3.5 oz containers you eventually merge into a bowl but that's a little too extreme even for me ...
- phamilton 10y ago
  Fill a water bottle after you get through security.
  - saiya-jin 10y ago
    if you mean in toilet then do it say in delhi and good luck on your flight, hope you have seat next to toilets and no empty plane. if you mean buy overpriced bottled water then yes, that's an option. but imagine some people want hot herbal tea on that flight, say 1-1.5 litre (ie they are sick). good luck negotiating with some airport 'restaurant' having say 8 tea servings for you (easily costing 20-30 usd/eur together)
    - asavadatti 10y ago
      Bad example. Delhi airport is actually really nice.
    - phamilton 10y ago
      I mean the water bottle filling stations I've seen and used all across the US and Europe.
- 67726e 10y ago
  Someone told me you could bring mini-bottles since they're under the liquid limit. Is that not the case?
  - snrplfth 10y ago
    It depends on what standards they're using. However, drinks and water fountains are frequently available once you've gone through security anyways.
bbcbasic 10y ago
Long haul flight. Not practical to bring all meals. Buy food or starve. Principle of supply and demand. Lots of demand and one supplier. Low margins on flight and push for corporate profits so supplier needs to rake it in => Food aint gonna be cheap! If you don't believe me buy a sandwich on a ryanair flight.

saiya-jin 10y ago

liquids are, since you cannot bring anything through security checkin. and if you don't drink a single drop on that 14h flight, well you are an exception

snrplfth 10y ago
Then buy a drink and pack your own food. In any case, it's hardly the airlines' fault that liquids can't come through security. I just do not see what is so bad about unbundling food from ticket price.
- fornever 10y ago
  If everyone would start bringing their own food that would lead to a huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers. Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things. There's really enough general unbundling of comfort and efficiency at airports already. I would definitely pay more if even more things was standardized and included for everyone on the flight (like luggage, security, airport seating).
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    Or, people could suck it up and not eat for an hour or two. Sure on longer flights a meal is welcome, but even missing a meal should not be a terrible burden.
    - dpark 10y ago
      No one is complaining about not getting food on a 1-2 hour flight. Many of us routinely take plane flights that are longer than two hours. A cross country flight is 5-6 hours plus 2 hours at the airport before and often a half hour after to get checked baggage. That's an 8-hour day. Sitting on a cramped airplane for 5-6 hours is pretty unpleasant already. Doing it hungry doesn't improve the experience.
      - WorldMaker 10y ago
        With 5-6 hours of flight time I'm often lucky if it is only an 8-hour day. I almost never have access to a direct flight cross country, so tack on at least another hour plus taxiing, running to catch a connection, then waiting for the connection to depart. If you let airline algorithms/travel agents select cheapest available flights, the connection is quite possible entirely in the wrong direction, too, adding a bonus hour or two to flight times. I've had companies crazy enough to ask if they could interview me on a cross-country flight day to save themselves a hotel night (after they were already planning to schedule the cheapest flights they could find), and I can only imagine those people have never traveled cross-country much.
        dpark 10y ago
        True. I used to have to connect to fly to see my parents. Add two more hours for that. I can't imagine interviewing the day of a cross-country flight. Even without connecting that would be miserable and probably pointless.
    - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
      When I fly international, it's more like 10-12 hours. Even assuming I had dinner before I boarded, sleep, and then wake up, I'm going to need some breakfast and a decent cup of coffee.
      - DrPhish 10y ago
        Then you have an even better incentive to fast, since it has been shown to reduce or eliminate jet lag [0]. I use this protocol on long flights and find it works well, getting me back in action within a day, even after traversing 8 time zones [0] http://harpers.org/blog/2012/03/the-empty-stomach-fasting-to-beat-jet-lag/ http://harpers.org/blog/2012/03/the-empty-stomach-fasting-to...
  - zimzam 10y ago
    You still can pay more for the bundled experience by: 1. Flying legacy carriers who are more bundled than low-cost carriers and/or 2. By purchasing business or first class seats, which often still include all the bundled goodies
    - fornever 10y ago
      I don't generally want to pay for business class, but frequent flyer programs and/or premium economy usually takes care of things like fast track, lounge access and priority boarding. But nothing of that is really special in itself. What I want is an airline that doesn't undermine their own business by making things better for their passengers, but instead have incentive both to make things better and more efficient. If there's no upsell the airline have to make sure things are efficient and there's less reason to hold back on "goodies". I know there have been attempts to make such airlines in the past, but maybe with the new smaller long range aircraft, that can go from smaller airports, and more competitive taxi market, for transfer, it could work.
  - snrplfth 10y ago
    >"huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers." That's generally handled by having a cart with a garbage bag attached that comes by, and having people opening their food on the small trays provided. >"Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things." Yes. It is called a "post-security food court". >"I would definitely pay more if even more things was standardized and included for everyone on the flight (like luggage, security, airport seating)." That's nice for you. A lot of people don't want that, or aren't willing to pay.
    - fornever 10y ago
      > That's generally handled by having a cart with a garbage bag attached that comes by, and having people opening their food on the small trays provided. Considerable effort has already gone into making food service efficient. One of the few reason I can imagine to unbundle food is to have fewer flight attendants. But now you're suggesting they should service the passengers in a random rather than sequential order, as not everyone would want to eat at the same time. A tray doesn't really solve the problem of the person shaking their protein drink (which hopefully stays in it's container), the person having to grab the third thing from the over head storage nor someone spilling their to go coffee over you. Food service is efficient. It comes in bulk, everyone gets served, everyone eats, everyone throws things away, done. > Yes. It is called a "post-security food court". "Amenities" like food courts and shops is a big reason why airports are annoying. If it wasn't for trying to get you to buy overpriced things airport entry would be as efficient as airport exit and not some IKEA style maze.
      - snrplfth 10y ago
        >"Food service is efficient. It comes in bulk, everyone gets served, everyone eats, everyone throws things away, done." Great. If an airline finds that it is more efficient that they bundle food with the ticket price, then more power to them. I just don't see why it should be required that they do so. >""Amenities" like food courts and shops is a big reason why airports are annoying." I am sorry that you are annoyed by food courts. On the other hand, I suspect that the fact they are usually full of businesses suggests that many people patronize them and find them useful. Again, I'm not sure what the proposed solution is. Prohibit airports from having food courts?
  - koolba 10y ago
    > If everyone would start bringing their own food that would lead to a huge mess of transporting, storing, unpacking, preparing and disposing of food in all sorts of random ways at various times throughout the flight by the hundreds of hungry sleep deprived passengers. Airports would be even less efficient going through security, vendors trying to sell food to go and people congregating to buy things. For any flight over 45 minutes I always bring my own food. It's better than anything I can get on the plane and cheaper too. There's nothing special about going through security as it's in my carry on. Only catch is you can't bring large liquids (so no thermos full of soup). I suppose you could have a set of 3.5 oz containers you eventually merge into a bowl but that's a little too extreme even for me ...
phamilton 10y ago
Fill a water bottle after you get through security.
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  if you mean in toilet then do it say in delhi and good luck on your flight, hope you have seat next to toilets and no empty plane. if you mean buy overpriced bottled water then yes, that's an option. but imagine some people want hot herbal tea on that flight, say 1-1.5 litre (ie they are sick). good luck negotiating with some airport 'restaurant' having say 8 tea servings for you (easily costing 20-30 usd/eur together)
  - asavadatti 10y ago
    Bad example. Delhi airport is actually really nice.
  - phamilton 10y ago
    I mean the water bottle filling stations I've seen and used all across the US and Europe.
67726e 10y ago
Someone told me you could bring mini-bottles since they're under the liquid limit. Is that not the case?
- snrplfth 10y ago
  It depends on what standards they're using. However, drinks and water fountains are frequently available once you've gone through security anyways.

bbcbasic 10y ago

Long haul flight. Not practical to bring all meals. Buy food or starve. Principle of supply and demand. Lots of demand and one supplier. Low margins on flight and push for corporate profits so supplier needs to rake it in => Food aint gonna be cheap! If you don't believe me buy a sandwich on a ryanair flight.