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Cyber-Related Sanctions Designations
- news_to_me 10y agoDoes anyone have any good context for this? I.e., what are the political and economic implications of this? Does it even matter if Trump is so soft on Russia? Won't he just revert this decision in January?
- mcphage 10y ago> Won't he just revert this decision in January? He might, but now that the ball is in motion, it's the difference between him just doing nothing and letting it get swept under the rug, and him explicitly killing an active investigation against the recommendations of his intelligence organizations. It'll look a lot worse for him to do so.
- ams6110 10y agoAssuming his intelligence organizations hold to those recommendations. This whole thing smells of politics. Where was all this concern 2, 4, 6 years ago? You think cyber attacks weren't going on then?
- mcphage 10y ago> This whole thing smells of politics. Where was all this concern 2, 4, 6 years ago? You think cyber attacks weren't going on then? It sounds like you're both complaining that the government is doing anything about cyber attacks, while also complaining that it hasn't done enough about cyber attacks.
- yarou 10y agoI think he's complaining about the suspicious timing of the sanctions. In which case it would be 100% political.
- mcphage 10y ago> In which case it would be 100% political. Suspicious timing? What's suspicious? Absolutely it's related to the formal sanctions of the US against Russia—what could that possibly be apart from politics?
- ams6110 10y agoMy complaint about the timing. I expect we'll also soon see some news releases or official government statements from Moscow about NSA and CIA hacking of Russian cyber systems.
- yarou 10y agoPolitical against the incoming President-Elect. It's all the same, however. Multiple layers of intrigues between actors in the deep state. The common man suffers of course, because he no longer has any hope for a better life. Soon he won't have a job either, after we'vr finished building our synthetic God.
- knowaveragejoe 10y agoDefine "suspicious timing". People seem to forget that this has been in the news since much earlier this year.
- cloakandswagger 10y agoIt made occasional appearances in the news earlier this year, but it was only after Trump won that they really put their foot on the gas with this McCarthyist hysteria.
- knowaveragejoe 10y agoI'm not sure "McCarthyist" is the correct term. Russia is, along with the US and China, one of the "big three" perpetrating state-sponsored cyberattacks.
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- Taniwha 10y agoClaiming that political things are political is a bit like complaining water is wet
- sehugg 10y agoWell probably, but two years ago we were sanctioning them for a different reason, Crimea.
- justaaron 10y agosame people, same motive. I have loads of friends in both Kiev and Moscow and the whole thing stinks. we (USA) stirred up the Maidan (CIA) in the first place, and aided in deposing Yanukovych and installing Poroshenko. The Crimean residents have largely been dual or Russian passport holders since WW2 anyway. It used to be full of Tatars, until Catherine the Great imported loyal Slovaks to help send them packing to central Asia, as there were loyalty issues vs the Ottomans. In any case, the whole "Russia is not gay friendly!" propaganda started to be emitted around that time... (as if traditional Slavic society was any different in Poland or Ukraine? as if Matthew Shepard wasn't beaten to death naked tied to a fence post in Wyoming USA...)
- unclebucknasty 10y ago>This whole thing smells of politics I don't get this statement. Are you saying you don't believe the intelligence reports? Or, are you saying that we should do nothing, even if true?
- 464192002d7fe1c 10y agoI'm saying I don't believe that their conclusions aren't politically motivated. If someone can show evidence beyond "trust us, we swear russia did it!" then I will.
- fixxer 10y ago"Assuming his intelligence organizations hold to those recommendations." Assuming those orgs even remotely resemble the same things they are now after inauguration. Clinton gutted the CIA after he got into office.
- noobermin 10y ago> It'll look a lot worse for him to do so. Do you really think Donald Trump cares if it will look worse for him?
- mcphage 10y agoNo idea; I assume we'll find out in a month. It is, however, a wedge issue between Trump and the GOP congress.
- slededit 10y agoIts free negotiating leverage. Obama takes all the blame yet they are "giving" something to the Russians by reversing it. Only fair they give back.
- tptacek 10y agoThe groups identified are sort of interesting; for instance, there's "AUTONOMOUS NONCOMMERCIAL ORGANIZATION PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DESIGNERS OF DATA PROCESSING SYSTEMS", which is either the most or least ominous hacker group name ever, and "ESAGE LAB", which has a zine! According to Brian Krebs, the people named here have been on the FBI's most-wanted list for a long time.
- fixxer 10y agoTwo on the FBI list https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/alexsey-belan https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/alexsey-belan https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/evgeniy-mikhailovich-bogachev https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/cyber/evgeniy-mikhailovich-bogach...
- kushti 10y agoWhat are accusations about, to start with?
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- 464192002d7fe1c 10y agoThat russia hacked the DNC and Podesta's email, and gave their emails to wikileaks (something with assange explicitly denies), thus exposing how the DNC was rigging the primaries against Sanders (DNC hack) and how corrupt the clinton campaign was (Podesta emails).
- dogma1138 10y agoMy condolences to anyone who shares a given name with any one on the sanctioned list or worse one of their aliases. Had an acquaintance who had the misfortune on traveling with a fairly fresh passport while sharing a name with some one on the list he was held for 6 hours at O'Hare for winning that lottery.