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> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture

> Tipping is essential. It's the most common generosity exercise in everyday life As someone who comes from a country where tipping is not part of the culture (Australia), I'm struggling to understand this. What are we missing out on by not having it?

lupin_sansei 10y ago
Notice in Australia only higher end places have table service and not that great service either. That's what we miss out on in Australia. We have much more self service cafes and much less attentive service when we do get it.
- lupin_sansei 10y ago
  ...Australian places work around the higher minimum wages through self service and I've been to a few places now that have touchscreen ordering (McDonalds, some yum cha places). Expect to see more of that to reduce labor costs.
icantdrive55 10y ago
Nothing. I haven't been to Australia, but in the USA, you are missing out on a fake smile, a fake compliment, a light pat on the back, the server invading your personal space, by leaning into you to take your order (it makes you feel like you know the server? A weird bond forms? They become more than just someone who takes an order?). I waited tables in college, and was taught some of the ways to increase that all important tip. You used to be able to sneak in a free drink; that's the best one. I would like to see an end to all tips here. It complicated because some employees are just likable. You want to give them money. Some employees actually make a pretty good living off a job that allows for tipping. Most employees don't have that magic though; I couldn't pull it off, without being fake. I'm just not a people person most days, especially with the self-entitled customer. We have a huge sector of the society that needs jobs that allow for tipping though. I don't see the need for unskilled labor decreasing anytime soon. (I'm probally hurting someone's feelings? I don't mean to. Certain jobs that accept tips require training, and talent--a hair stylist is one.) So--I feel raising the minimum wage is the right choice. It will prevent certain industries from just filling up the shop with bodies. Owners will have to hire the best applicant. More thought will go onto the hire? Speaking fluent English might be a requirement? Along with being bilingual? My minimum wage would be close to $20 though. (I came back to add something. Too many employers are paying skilled labor minimum wage--without tips. This is especially prevalent in construction. I worked for a few non-union telecommunications companies, and they all paid minimum wage. This edit isn't about tipping, it's about just how desperate certain workers are, and how employers exploit them. Couldn't sleep until I added this.)

lupin_sansei 10y ago

Notice in Australia only higher end places have table service and not that great service either. That's what we miss out on in Australia. We have much more self service cafes and much less attentive service when we do get it.

lupin_sansei 10y ago
...Australian places work around the higher minimum wages through self service and I've been to a few places now that have touchscreen ordering (McDonalds, some yum cha places). Expect to see more of that to reduce labor costs.

icantdrive55 10y ago

Nothing. I haven't been to Australia, but in the USA, you are missing out on a fake smile, a fake compliment, a light pat on the back, the server invading your personal space, by leaning into you to take your order (it makes you feel like you know the server? A weird bond forms? They become more than just someone who takes an order?). I waited tables in college, and was taught some of the ways to increase that all important tip. You used to be able to sneak in a free drink; that's the best one. I would like to see an end to all tips here. It complicated because some employees are just likable. You want to give them money. Some employees actually make a pretty good living off a job that allows for tipping. Most employees don't have that magic though; I couldn't pull it off, without being fake. I'm just not a people person most days, especially with the self-entitled customer. We have a huge sector of the society that needs jobs that allow for tipping though. I don't see the need for unskilled labor decreasing anytime soon. (I'm probally hurting someone's feelings? I don't mean to. Certain jobs that accept tips require training, and talent--a hair stylist is one.) So--I feel raising the minimum wage is the right choice. It will prevent certain industries from just filling up the shop with bodies. Owners will have to hire the best applicant. More thought will go onto the hire? Speaking fluent English might be a requirement? Along with being bilingual? My minimum wage would be close to $20 though. (I came back to add something. Too many employers are paying skilled labor minimum wage--without tips. This is especially prevalent in construction. I worked for a few non-union telecommunications companies, and they all paid minimum wage. This edit isn't about tipping, it's about just how desperate certain workers are, and how employers exploit them. Couldn't sleep until I added this.)