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LineageOS will be a continuation of what CyanogenMod was
- realstuff 10y agoSo is it time to buy a phone instead of my OnePlus One as it won't be updated anymore?
- 0x0001111 10y agoThe AOSP fork for bacon is still quite well supported. I'm sure the community support would be enough for security patches and updates given how massive it still is.
- dogma1138 10y agoOnePlus (One) hasn't been really updated well at all, Both Cyanogen and Oxygen OS builds were late and filled with problems. That was true pretty much out of the gate. The newer phones come with Oxygen OS or w/e they call it now and at least get some sort of periodic update.
- cookiecaper 10y agoYou're probably better off using a stock Android derivative built for OPO. There's always a nice variety of them on xda-developers. I used to use CM on everything but over the last few years I've been plenty happy with pure stock Android (+ root). Didn't end up using most of CM's extra features and found that it was often unstable and/or leaving lots of things just sort of half-working.
- dispose13432 10y ago>Didn't end up using most of CM's extra features and found that it was often unstable and/or leaving lots of things just sort of half-working. Privacy guard still beats whatever stock rom has.
- realstuff 10y agoDo you have one in mind that you recommend?
- dispose13432 10y ago>There's always a nice variety of them on xda-developers. I personally stay away from there. For root level access, I'd prefer relying on a project with actual reputation on the line, and has periodic spot checks.
- cookiecaper 10y agoIf you have a popular device, that idea is fine. If you don't, I'm not sure if you're going to have much of an option moving forward. Less common devices frequently have phone-specific builds of popular distributions like CM published by a developer-user on xda as their only non-default option. Even CM's support for a wide range of hardware was mostly bankrolled by Cyanogen Inc, which will now no longer be funding them as they rebrand under LineageOS. It's unclear whether any but the most popular phones will continue to see support from a group that has "actual reputation" on the line or not.
- dispose13432 10y agoThey had a lot of phones before Cyanogen Inc. They were the base Mod behind others (like Open Kang)
- g_p 10y agoBeware of this if you are on a OPO running a Cyngn firmware: https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5k8ppv/former_cyanogen_developer_if_you_have_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/5k8ppv/former_cyan... Not really a brilliant source, but I'd be inclined to believe it in this case. It fits with my understanding of the situation.
- gsnedders 10y agoWho's going to make sure LineageOS users get security updates in a timely manner? Is anyone going to be paid to work on it? Any large OSS distribution is going to have a fairly continuous stream of security fixes to ship to their users, and that takes a fair amount of time, and I'm always concerned about whether any new project (okay—it's not quite new, but they have a fraction of the number of developers they did twelve months ago!) has the resources to ship them in a timely way.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agoYet somehow most stock ROMs are worse at maintaining security patches.
- libeclipse 10y agoThis. It's actually astounding, albeit hardly surprising, that companies often have zero interest in pushing security patches to devices not being manufactured anymore.
- realstuff 10y agoThis is why for the first time since I started owning smartphones (2010), I am going to switch to iPhone.
- Thrillington 10y agoThat's not going to fix the problem. Installing updates on an iPhone older than a couple years bogs performance down to unusable levels.
- realstuff 10y agoI am aware but at least I won't get hacked which is more important than performance.
- fuayenah 10y agoFunny they'd use that quote of Andy Rubin, like it means anything nowadays. https://twitter.com/CopperheadOS/status/772592323112869888 https://twitter.com/CopperheadOS/status/772592323112869888
- dispose13432 10y agoThe question is what will ensure the continual non-profitness of lineageOS? The problem is two fold: 1. Get maintainers. 2. Make sure that the high ranking individuals can't just "take the ball and go home", and (however unpopular this opinion may be here), GPL is the only way to ensure that they will never be able to sell out ever again. And especially after the CM/CyanogenOS/Focal/Paranoid Android situation, private ROMs seem to be too much of an "aquihire" risk.
- dispose13432 10y agoAlthough I do understand the PA devs, as they _do_ need to get paid, and Android OS dev is not easy,
- redahs 10y agoUser donations earmarked for X phone model + Y OS version held in trust and paid out to the first developer who completes (X,Y) port of the OS as a one-time cash prizes, with Z% overhead taken out each donation to fund the central developers \ organization.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agoExcellent idea. Reminds me of tip4commit.com or BitHub. I also wonder if make sense for donator to be able to select their desired Z percentage.
- BuuQu9hu 10y ago> completes This would have be defined carefully to avoid the device dropping out of support quickly. Personally I think full-time work would be better than bounties.
- g_p 10y agoGPL is the route that OmniROM tried to go down, in order to attempt to ensure that the ROM remained community focused and true to its roots. One potential issue with CM is that users were signing contributor license agreements (CLAs) to the "project leads" of the "CyanogenMod Project" [1]. While everything is under Apache 2, which ensures it can be used in future, there were plenty of cases where people submitted code under the copyright of the project (see headers which state "Copyright (C) 2016 The CyanogenMod Project"). You are correct with point 2 - if you want to prevent "acqui-hire" type takeovers, you need to ensure that there isn't a tight-knit group of individuals willing to agree and sign over the rights. This situation would be very, very different if the original CM project had taken a better approach at the start - perhaps forming a 501(c)3 for the holding of the cyanogenmod.org domain and any trademarks/name rights. Then a commercial license could be granted to the incorporated form of CM. I wish I could find a good primary source, but best I can see at the moment are fairly blog-type news sites [2]. The issue we see here is that the project's stewards were turning their focus from the project to the "commercial spinout", rather than in keeping the project going. At that point, there's little that the contributors could do really - it seemed the leaders had made the decision to build the inc version, despite high profile disagreement. Not sure GPL would fix that, but it certainly helps ensure a community project can live on, even if it won't guarantee it will. [1] https://review.cyanogenmod.org/static/cla_individual.html https://review.cyanogenmod.org/static/cla_individual.html [2] http://www.androidheadlines.com/2013/09/author-cyanogenmods-focal-application-reveals-drama-cyanogen-incs-new-business-plans.html http://www.androidheadlines.com/2013/09/author-cyanogenmods-...
- circlingthesun 10y agoThe name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agoRolls better than cyanogenmod, which was always hard for regular folk.
- DonHopkins 10y agoI agree -- it's almost as clumsy to pronounce as cyanogenmod, and the meaning isn't particular inspiring or evocative. HeritageOS? AncestryOS? FamilyOS? DerivationOS? Why do I want to use it, now?
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agowould be great if software developers named their project simply based on what their project actually does (e.g. "Word"). For example: "OpenPhoneOS".
- edent 10y ago> OpenPhoneOS So it doesn't work on tablets? Is it open to hackers? What's an OS? There's a reason Amazon isn't called "books.com" - definitive names rarely make for good brands. They limit your options and can carry preconceptions.
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agofair points...that was just the first thing that came to my mind. Better might be something along the lines of: LibreMobile Of course you don't want too definitive to limit your options. But what I'm criticizing is things like "Cyanogenmod" (what does green-blue have to do with it? is is some type of element?) or "Android" (is it a robot?). Apple won a lot of users simply with a simple definitive name "iPhone". And you can have definitive names that leave options open, e.g. "YouTube" or "The FaceBook".
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- dispose13432 10y agoAlso, why don't they remerge with OmniRom?
- em3rgent0rdr 10y agoI was hoping for the same thing. Ideally the two projects haven't diverged too much already. I don't see any mention on OmniROM's blog (last update was Dec 20). I know Omni has separate additional features like OpenDelta (for incremental updates) and OmniSwitch.
- tehwalrus 10y agoVery pleased by this. Have used CM on my phone for over a year now, was quite scared with the idea of it disappearing! (Will also look into seeing how I can contribute, although every time I've tried I've hit a "users file crappy bugs" filter that stops me reporting without installing a debug build on my main phone.)
- the_duke 10y agoWhat's the background on this? Why is Cyanogen shutting down?
- distances 10y agoThere was more discussion recently at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13249307 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13249307. Incompatibilities in Cyanogen Inc. leadership plus some bad deals, is what I gathered.
- dispose13432 10y agotl;dr Cyanogen Inc failed, and is pivoting away from ROMs. What I don't get is why they won't just give up the CM name/domain? Are they pulling an OpenOffice?
- g_p 10y agoI suspect this was one of their biggest/only assets. I wonder (purely from a thought experiment point of view) how the original spin-out could have gone if the project had kept the name in trust and granted a worldwide exclusive license for a period of X years, where X was longer than the initial investment term, with a renewal option. On the other hand, given what's gone down between both sides lately, it seems the split is somewhat less than civil, and holding onto the name and killing off the "annoying project which resents and criticises the company" might be suitably vindictive and designed to cause inconvenience to the project.
- hackuser 10y agoSome links for you: * https://cyngn.com/blog/the-future-of-cyanogen-and-the-untapped-power-of-mobile https://cyngn.com/blog/the-future-of-cyanogen-and-the-untapp... * https://www.xda-developers.com/the-death-of-cyangenmod-and-whats-in-store-for-the-future/ https://www.xda-developers.com/the-death-of-cyangenmod-and-w...
- swiley 10y agoIf google wants Android to survive as a platform, they should be directly giving money to projects like this, they are what make it bearable.
- TylerE 10y agoSurely the answer to Android's woes isn't more platform fragmentation.
- syshum 10y agoI have never understood the desire to have 1 Homogeneous Platform with no variety, no customization, no personality. To have a large corporate overlord dictating how I use the device I "bought" I see these same statements in the Linux Desktop world where everyone bitches about how All the Distro's are different, and how the Arch way is different from the Debian Way, and different from Red Hat, Canonical etc. That is what I LIKE about Linux, that is what is LIKE about Android. If i wanted a Corporate Overlord I would use an Apple or Microsoft commercial garbage
- XorNot 10y agoBecause there's a very finite amount of open-source developer time in the world, and expending it all over the same territory over and over is foolish.
- jacob019 10y agoDeveloper time is not a finite resource. People contribute to projects that they are passionate about. Fragmentation can encourage engagement. It's not like unpaid xfce and kde developers would start kernel hacking if everyone converged on gnome, even if it would benefit the ecosystem. Many would pursue other hobbies.
- quadrangle 10y agoDeveloper time is finite. Fact. There's no basis to question this. There's limited numbers of people on the planet and they have limited time. Sure, the number of contributors can grow (we haven't reached peak-developer numbers), but it actually grows more with success than with failure. Fragmentation is fine if there's actually enough resources for at least one project to really succeed. In most cases, and probably in the case of community-centered free/libre/open Android variants, there's a shortage of developer time and a real worry about it being fragmented into multiple projects instead of being more cooperative.
- MrF3ynmann 10y agoWhen exactly will cm shut down? Until when will I be able to get the freshest nightlies of CM14.1?
- g_p 10y agoSecondary source since the website seems down right now. http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/24/cyanogen-shutting-service-nightly-builds-december-31-2016/ http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/12/24/cyanogen-shutting-se... At some point before 31st December (at the latest), according to their blog post. In reality, their website is down right now. Downloads and other sites are up, but the blog is down.
- xianwen 10y agoI am very happy to see the continuation of CM in the form of LineageOS. Thank you.
- dispose13432 10y agoAlso, will I have to re-reclean flash LineageOS over CM?
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- LordWinstanley 10y agoI'm getting really confused here. I thought CyanogenOS was a commercial venture that arose out of CyanogenMod. But that they were essentially separate protects. I'd read about CyanogenOS coming a cropper, but understood this wouldn't affect CyanogenMod. Now, these linked articles seem to be treating -OS and -Mod as the same project/same organisation. Can anyone explain?
- chei0iaV 10y agoCyanogen Inc (the commercial venture) owns the infrastructure and trademarks of CyanogenMod (community project). So now that they've been ditched, the CyanogenMod community has to change the name and find new infrastructure.