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> I tested the new feature on my favorite opening: 1.e4 e5 2.f4!, a.k.a. the mighty King Gambit. Stockfish hates it, and asked me to review it like it was a mis

by fferen 10y ago

> I tested the new feature on my favorite opening: 1.e4 e5 2.f4!, a.k.a. the mighty King Gambit. Stockfish hates it, and asked me to review it like it was a mistake! Yet it's considered playable. Actually Carlsen played it against Arionian in 2015. Not acceptable, Mr Stockfish! Actually, the King's Gambit has been (essentially) solved: https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gambit-this-time-for-sure https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gam... There is only one move that doesn't lose by force after 2. ... exf4, and that is the strange-looking 3. Be2. Does that mean this opening is a "mistake"? Well, maybe not, obviously a human wouldn't know the perfect lines, but personally I wouldn't play it :) Either way, I'll certainly be using this feature a lot. Kudos to the folks at Lichess.

jah 10y ago
That's an April Fool's Day prank. The King's Gambit has not been solved.
ucarion 10y ago
That article is an April Fool's joke: https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fool-s-prank https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fool-s-prank
k2052 10y ago
The King's Gambit hasn't been solved nor is it likely to be solved any time soon. That article was one of Chessbase's annual April Fools posts. https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fools-revisited https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fools-revisi...
- inopinatus 10y ago
  reminds me of https://www.chess.com/blog/eXecute/a-capablanca-story https://www.chess.com/blog/eXecute/a-capablanca-story
- eth0up 10y ago
  I've been under the impression for years that the King's Gambit, despite it being the best variation/opening of all (IMO), was obsolete at the highest levels. A chess master/instructor once assured me of this, despite it being his favorite too. He referred to it as "romantic" and said it was almost never played at GM level.
  - sobellian 10y ago
    It is rather rare at high levels because someone who knows the book lines will equalize fairly easily as black. That said, it isn't losing for white, nor is it particularly easy to play as black if you've never studied it in depth.
pmontra 10y ago
> If at least two masters have played a move in tournament situation, then the move must be playable! So that's how it works now. Considering how much Stockfish is stronger than those masters, those moves could be really wrong despite being playable in human vs human games. http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/cgi/compare_engines.cgi?family=Stockfish&print=Rating+list&print=Results+table&print=LOS+table&print=Ponder+hit+table&print=Eval+difference+table&print=Comopp+gamenum+table&print=Overlap+table&print=Score+with+common+opponents http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/cgi/compare_engines... Hoowever we don't know the estimated ELO of Stockfish as used by Lichess.
- asbjoos 10y ago
  No, there are positions where computers are known to make the wrong decisions. Computers use opening books instead of evaluating the moves themselves because they don't evaluate openings well.
yeellow 10y ago
> Actually, the King's Gambit has been (essentially) solved: https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gam.. https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gam.... > There is only one move that doesn't lose by force after 2. ... exf4, and that is the strange-looking 3. Be2. Does that mean this opening is a "mistake"? Well, maybe not, obviously a human wouldn't know the perfect lines, but personally I wouldn't play it :) It was an April Fools Prank. Apparently a good one.
- Tempest1981 10y ago
  What gives it away as a prank? I surely couldn't tell. Anything more than the reference to March 31?

by fferen 10y ago

jah 10y ago

That's an April Fool's Day prank. The King's Gambit has not been solved.

ucarion 10y ago

That article is an April Fool's joke: https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fool-s-prank https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fool-s-prank

k2052 10y ago

The King's Gambit hasn't been solved nor is it likely to be solved any time soon. That article was one of Chessbase's annual April Fools posts. https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fools-revisited https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-chebase-april-fools-revisi...

inopinatus 10y ago
reminds me of https://www.chess.com/blog/eXecute/a-capablanca-story https://www.chess.com/blog/eXecute/a-capablanca-story
eth0up 10y ago
I've been under the impression for years that the King's Gambit, despite it being the best variation/opening of all (IMO), was obsolete at the highest levels. A chess master/instructor once assured me of this, despite it being his favorite too. He referred to it as "romantic" and said it was almost never played at GM level.
- sobellian 10y ago
  It is rather rare at high levels because someone who knows the book lines will equalize fairly easily as black. That said, it isn't losing for white, nor is it particularly easy to play as black if you've never studied it in depth.

pmontra 10y ago

> If at least two masters have played a move in tournament situation, then the move must be playable! So that's how it works now. Considering how much Stockfish is stronger than those masters, those moves could be really wrong despite being playable in human vs human games. http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/cgi/compare_engines.cgi?family=Stockfish&print=Rating+list&print=Results+table&print=LOS+table&print=Ponder+hit+table&print=Eval+difference+table&print=Comopp+gamenum+table&print=Overlap+table&print=Score+with+common+opponents http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/cgi/compare_engines... Hoowever we don't know the estimated ELO of Stockfish as used by Lichess.

asbjoos 10y ago
No, there are positions where computers are known to make the wrong decisions. Computers use opening books instead of evaluating the moves themselves because they don't evaluate openings well.

yeellow 10y ago

> Actually, the King's Gambit has been (essentially) solved: https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gam.. https://en.chessbase.com/post/rajlich-busting-the-king-s-gam.... > There is only one move that doesn't lose by force after 2. ... exf4, and that is the strange-looking 3. Be2. Does that mean this opening is a "mistake"? Well, maybe not, obviously a human wouldn't know the perfect lines, but personally I wouldn't play it :) It was an April Fools Prank. Apparently a good one.

Tempest1981 10y ago
What gives it away as a prank? I surely couldn't tell. Anything more than the reference to March 31?