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How do you know people aren't buying from the manufacturer or indirect sources (other countries, liquidation/clearance from stores, any number of other grey mar
by ikeboy 10y ago
How do you know people aren't buying from the manufacturer or indirect sources (other countries, liquidation/clearance from stores, any number of other grey market sources) and reselling?
There are many items sold on Amazon that the manufacturer doesn't sell direct nor sell to sellers to sell direct, but somehow people still manage to get stock.
Amazon isn't going to take down a listing unless the manufacturer can prove that it's infringing. They will block specific sellers if you can show they're selling fakes, and it's not that hard to do (place a test order, then report).
- sschueller 10y agoThe manufacturer does not permit it. Here is another example: Crestron, they specifically do not permit sales on Amazon, ebay etc. The only way to acquire their hardware is to go via a Crestron authorized dealer or becoming one yourself. Yet there is crestron hardware on Amazon... The reason being is that their hardware requires programming and unless you are familiar with how it works you will have a very bad experience.
- tehwebguy 10y agoFor anyone wondering, banning resale is mostly a losing game. They may not allow it, but they can almost never stop it without making a deal with Amazon.
- wbl 10y agoIf the store closes shop and goes bankrupt, and the court orders the goods auctioned off, whoever buys them buys them. Heck, when you go to the store, you own the thing you buy and can do whatever the heck you want with it, including selling it.
- throwaw12ay 10y agoCounterfeit products are destroyed, they are never auctioned. A court cannot order the auction of known counterfeit items, thats just crazy talk. And one cannot resell a counterfeit product, that's illegal.
- detaro 10y agoThey are talking about a seller of the original stuff, not about counterfeits. It's possible that there are ways for the manufacturer to maintain control in case of an authorized seller's bankruptcy (e.g. not actually selling it to them until it's transferred to customer should work), but if they actually transfer it to them they only can demand contractual damages from them, not stop a buyer from doing anything with the product.
- drakenot 10y agoIsn't this covered by first-sale doctrine?
- ikeboy 10y agoAnd how do you know authorized dealers aren't selling some on the side?
- sschueller 10y agoCrestron will revoke your authorized dealer status if they catch you. This means, no access to firmware or any other software you will need.
- ikeboy 10y agoI've heard plenty of stories of people buying merchandise with restrictions and selling it anyway. Sometimes they get caught, sometimes not. I know of people manually removing serial numbers so the items can't be traced back to them. I know of people setting up multiple companies, selling from one to another and providing documentation that it wasn't "them" when caught. I've seen stories of people buying undelivered shipments from carriers and selling products found. Point is, you can't assume everything is counterfeit just because the manufacturer doesn't sell to amazon sellers. I've been threatened in the past by a manufacturer for selling their items: in that case, I had bought some from Amazon directly when the price was lower, and some from another authorized dealer. There are a lot of manufacturers that think their rights go a lot further than they actually do.
- ryandrake 10y agoWhat is stopping me from buying one of their (real) products, not wanting it anymore, and then selling it myself on Amazon or eBay? Surely you're not saying that it becomes counterfeit just because the manufacturer doesn't want me to sell it?
- kevin_b_er 10y agoThey should not be called sales. That should be considered fraud or deception. You are renting it at their pleasure. You do not own any products by this company, they do. If the company uses the word "sale" anywhere consider them to be liars.
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- edblarney 10y ago"The manufacturer does not permit it." I wonder if this is legal or possible. I grasp that there are special cases, i.e. complex gear ... But if you own a piece of gear outright - I don't think there is anything anyone can do to stop you from selling it to someone else. Unless someone cares to comment ...
- jacob019 10y agoThe manufacturer has no right to control the resale of their products.
- logfromblammo 10y agoBut if you only sell direct, and the product appears on Amazon at a lower price, it is blindingly obvious that the product on Amazon must either be counterfeit or stolen.
- lightedman 10y agoOr, someone got the item as a gift and never wanted it. I've gotten tons of stuff for far cheaper than buying direct that way.
- ikeboy 10y agoThat doesn't apply when someone has a large quantity, though. Many of those sellers have thousands of feedback, unless they have a large number of friends, it's not from gifts.
- jlarocco 10y agoIf you had clicked the link, you would understand why that's not the case.
- lightedman 10y agoIf only you had bothered reading this little thread...
- shimon_e 10y agoOr it could be a money laundry operation?
- nekopa 10y agoOr second hand
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