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The standard snark is that NeXT bought Apple for -$400 million.
by wl 10y ago
The standard snark is that NeXT bought Apple for -$400 million.
- monocasa 10y agoSame with Pixar/Disney/-$7.4B.
- rootbear 10y agoYeah, Pixar totally "bought" Disney Animation and, to a lesser extent, the theme parks. I'm told John Lasseter has been deeply involved in them. That would be going home for him, he worked at Disneyland as a youth.
- acchow 10y agoSure, but Disney is a lot more than Disney Animation... Isn't i mostly Marvel and Star Wars anyway?
- Ronleflore 10y agoDisney is mostly ESPN, based on profits.
- cookiecaper 10y agoDisney is about 30% ESPN, 30% Parks & Resorts, and then everything else. The animation/film unit is actually only less than 10% of their revenue iirc. Disney is in big trouble as cordcutters proliferate.
- monocasa 10y agoTO be fair, you could consider the animation/film unit to be the marketing wing of Parks & Resorts for the purposes of this discussion. Why would anyone go to the parks without Mickey, Leia, and Iron Man?
- adventured 10y agoThat's no longer the case. ESPN has seen its profitability roughly slashed in half in the last four years. Simultaneously they're rapidly bleeding subscribers while they've overpaid for sports rights at exactly the wrong time. ESPN is at about $9.5b to $10b in sales for 2016 and $1b in operating income. Those numbers will decline until operating income is closer to $300m-$500m in the next few years. By comparison, Disney did $9.3b in net income for 2016 ($14.2b operating income). ESPN is down to being closer to 10% to 15% of Disney's profits and 18% on sales. As a business it's a looming disaster of value destruction from the former peak.
- nine_k 10y agoThis is great. I mean, the fact that NeXT tech was preserved and made popular is great.
- DaiPlusPlus 10y agoTo an extent... but their swansong vision of portable OPENSTEP was quickly shut down by Apple, which is a crying shame because if OPENSTEP was still around it would be keeping Microsoft competitive on the desktop front - instead of today's languished desktop developer story which remains frozen in 1998 (for Win32) or 2005 (for .NET). Now that Swift is open-sourced, I wonder if we'll see a good Cocoa port to Win32 and Linux - because that would be NEXTSTEP's legacy.
- nine_k 10y agoI happily used an openstep-inspired (or directly derived?) desktop environment named WindowMaker in Linux somewhere around 1999. I also remember LiteStep for Windows being available around that time. So there were attempts at using that approach on other platforms. (Funnily, my current Xfce setup still visually resembles my OpenStep-like setup of that time.)
- code_duck 10y agoI used Window Maker for years - still have it installed as the desktop of choice on older machines. It's fast, simple, reliable and direct.
- 72deluxe 10y agoYes and it makes for a great UI on a VNC server on a Raspberry Pi running as a SSH box, for example. Lightweight.
- aerique 10y agoI switched to i3 a couple of years ago but I've used WindowMaker the longest of any window manager in my 25 years of Unix usage.
- chmaynard 10y agoWhen I joined Apple Software Engineering in 2001 as a writer, the first thing I noticed was that former NeXT people ran the company, made the important decisions, and believed fervently that the new Apple would be wildly successful. Oh, how right they were.
- nothis 10y ago>Oh, how right they were. Well, there's a sentence you don't hear often, nowadays!
- NEDM64 10y agoYes, if you live in the Matrix that doesn't acknowledge Apple's victories and praises Google and Microsoft failures.
- riprowan 10y agoCan't tell if sarcastic or serious.
- hellofunk 10y agoIt's accurate, regardless.