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But pride did help Butch in Pulp Fiction. He got to win the fight, keep his pride and keep the money(or even bet the other way and make bank? can't recall now).

But pride did help Butch in Pulp Fiction. He got to win the fight, keep his pride and keep the money(or even bet the other way and make bank? can't recall now). Personally, I agree with your point of view. There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations.

tjic 10y ago
There is something called survivorship bias. IT means that the selection that you happen to see is the selection that is visible, because it accidentally survived. Steve Jobs is great an inspiring, because he did X and Y and Z and never compromised his standards. You know what? You happen to know of Steve Jobs because everything worked out well for him. There may very well be 20,000 other people who refused to compromise their standards...and perhaps that strategy really sucks and the other 20,000 of them went bankrupt and are working at used car lots now. "Never settling" sounds great. I'm not 100% convinced that it is.
- jdbernard 10y ago
  Agreed. Generally I believe in shooting high, because how do you know where the limits are if you don't hit them? But... you have to be careful to stay in reality. Otherwise you end up tilting at the mills.
dpark 10y ago
> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. Two years of unemployment should be enough to indicate that force of will sometimes isn't enough.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  This guy openly admits that he isn't expending any force of will. He's sitting at home all day reading twitter while refusing to work jobs that he thinks might lower his social status. If you refuse to try a strategy for 2 years, that's not evidence the strategy won't work.
  - dpark 10y ago
    I'm not sure what "strategy" you're referring to. If the strategy is to "never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations", then it sounds like he's been trying that strategy. Hundreds of applications, multiple all-day interviews. That actually does seem like he's trying, or at least he's tried in the past. What he should be trying is a new strategy, not pouring more force of will into this one.
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      I think I misunderstood your comment and was responding to a different point. Sorry.
      - dpark 10y ago
        No worries.
matwood 10y ago
> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. If by force of will I wanted to work at Google for example, I would take steps to improve my chances of making that happen. This story is not about force of will at all, but someone with low self discipline and possibly depressed (clinical depression could be a factor here and he should look into it). He complains about lack of something to do. There is plenty to do starting with making a schedule listing things to learn for the day that will improve his chances getting the job he wants. I'm sure potential employers are looking at him asking the same questions people here are asking. You've been unemployed for 2 years and have learned what?

tjic 10y ago

There is something called survivorship bias. IT means that the selection that you happen to see is the selection that is visible, because it accidentally survived. Steve Jobs is great an inspiring, because he did X and Y and Z and never compromised his standards. You know what? You happen to know of Steve Jobs because everything worked out well for him. There may very well be 20,000 other people who refused to compromise their standards...and perhaps that strategy really sucks and the other 20,000 of them went bankrupt and are working at used car lots now. "Never settling" sounds great. I'm not 100% convinced that it is.

jdbernard 10y ago
Agreed. Generally I believe in shooting high, because how do you know where the limits are if you don't hit them? But... you have to be careful to stay in reality. Otherwise you end up tilting at the mills.

dpark 10y ago

> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. Two years of unemployment should be enough to indicate that force of will sometimes isn't enough.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
This guy openly admits that he isn't expending any force of will. He's sitting at home all day reading twitter while refusing to work jobs that he thinks might lower his social status. If you refuse to try a strategy for 2 years, that's not evidence the strategy won't work.
- dpark 10y ago
  I'm not sure what "strategy" you're referring to. If the strategy is to "never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations", then it sounds like he's been trying that strategy. Hundreds of applications, multiple all-day interviews. That actually does seem like he's trying, or at least he's tried in the past. What he should be trying is a new strategy, not pouring more force of will into this one.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    I think I misunderstood your comment and was responding to a different point. Sorry.
    - dpark 10y ago
      No worries.

matwood 10y ago

> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. If by force of will I wanted to work at Google for example, I would take steps to improve my chances of making that happen. This story is not about force of will at all, but someone with low self discipline and possibly depressed (clinical depression could be a factor here and he should look into it). He complains about lack of something to do. There is plenty to do starting with making a schedule listing things to learn for the day that will improve his chances getting the job he wants. I'm sure potential employers are looking at him asking the same questions people here are asking. You've been unemployed for 2 years and have learned what?