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At one point early in my software career I was between jobs for a few months. I have construction skills, so I worked doing demolition and then framing an addi

by tjic 10y ago

At one point early in my software career I was between jobs for a few months. I have construction skills, so I worked doing demolition and then framing an addition for a friend at $10/hr. To quote Pulp Fiction "The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps." Over a couple of weeks I made a few thousand dollars, paid the mortgage, and got some exercise. ...and, besides, there's nothing embarrassing about using your hands and your back.

larksimian 10y ago
But pride did help Butch in Pulp Fiction. He got to win the fight, keep his pride and keep the money(or even bet the other way and make bank? can't recall now). Personally, I agree with your point of view. There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations.
- tjic 10y ago
  There is something called survivorship bias. IT means that the selection that you happen to see is the selection that is visible, because it accidentally survived. Steve Jobs is great an inspiring, because he did X and Y and Z and never compromised his standards. You know what? You happen to know of Steve Jobs because everything worked out well for him. There may very well be 20,000 other people who refused to compromise their standards...and perhaps that strategy really sucks and the other 20,000 of them went bankrupt and are working at used car lots now. "Never settling" sounds great. I'm not 100% convinced that it is.
  - jdbernard 10y ago
    Agreed. Generally I believe in shooting high, because how do you know where the limits are if you don't hit them? But... you have to be careful to stay in reality. Otherwise you end up tilting at the mills.
- dpark 10y ago
  > There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. Two years of unemployment should be enough to indicate that force of will sometimes isn't enough.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    This guy openly admits that he isn't expending any force of will. He's sitting at home all day reading twitter while refusing to work jobs that he thinks might lower his social status. If you refuse to try a strategy for 2 years, that's not evidence the strategy won't work.
    - dpark 10y ago
      I'm not sure what "strategy" you're referring to. If the strategy is to "never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations", then it sounds like he's been trying that strategy. Hundreds of applications, multiple all-day interviews. That actually does seem like he's trying, or at least he's tried in the past. What he should be trying is a new strategy, not pouring more force of will into this one.
      - yummyfajitas 10y ago
        I think I misunderstood your comment and was responding to a different point. Sorry.
        dpark 10y ago
        No worries.
- matwood 10y ago
  > There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. If by force of will I wanted to work at Google for example, I would take steps to improve my chances of making that happen. This story is not about force of will at all, but someone with low self discipline and possibly depressed (clinical depression could be a factor here and he should look into it). He complains about lack of something to do. There is plenty to do starting with making a schedule listing things to learn for the day that will improve his chances getting the job he wants. I'm sure potential employers are looking at him asking the same questions people here are asking. You've been unemployed for 2 years and have learned what?
kevinml 10y ago
I'm about 4 years into my career as a software dev, but you know what I did before that? Worked a shitty manual labor job at a warehouse with shitty 13-hour days and not a lot of pay. I rarely got to see my friends who were more successful starting their own careers. But what I did have is money to pay my rent and free time to continue learning and honing my skills. Yeah it really sucked working in that warehouse and it was embarrassing a little bit. I used that as motivation. Fuck pride indeed.
- Kurtz79 10y ago
  "Yeah it really sucked working in that warehouse and it was embarrassing a little bit. I used that as motivation. Fuck pride indeed" It seems to me that pride really was your motivation... and there's nothing wrong with it.
- matwood 10y ago
  >I used that as motivation. This. I worked overnight stocking shelves in a grocery store for awhile. It sucked, but I did a good job while I looked for different work. Then I waited tables for awhile after that. All the jobs I have had have taught me various things, but the main one was motivation to not have to do those jobs.

by tjic 10y ago

larksimian 10y ago

But pride did help Butch in Pulp Fiction. He got to win the fight, keep his pride and keep the money(or even bet the other way and make bank? can't recall now). Personally, I agree with your point of view. There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations.

tjic 10y ago
There is something called survivorship bias. IT means that the selection that you happen to see is the selection that is visible, because it accidentally survived. Steve Jobs is great an inspiring, because he did X and Y and Z and never compromised his standards. You know what? You happen to know of Steve Jobs because everything worked out well for him. There may very well be 20,000 other people who refused to compromise their standards...and perhaps that strategy really sucks and the other 20,000 of them went bankrupt and are working at used car lots now. "Never settling" sounds great. I'm not 100% convinced that it is.
- jdbernard 10y ago
  Agreed. Generally I believe in shooting high, because how do you know where the limits are if you don't hit them? But... you have to be careful to stay in reality. Otherwise you end up tilting at the mills.
dpark 10y ago
> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. Two years of unemployment should be enough to indicate that force of will sometimes isn't enough.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  This guy openly admits that he isn't expending any force of will. He's sitting at home all day reading twitter while refusing to work jobs that he thinks might lower his social status. If you refuse to try a strategy for 2 years, that's not evidence the strategy won't work.
  - dpark 10y ago
    I'm not sure what "strategy" you're referring to. If the strategy is to "never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations", then it sounds like he's been trying that strategy. Hundreds of applications, multiple all-day interviews. That actually does seem like he's trying, or at least he's tried in the past. What he should be trying is a new strategy, not pouring more force of will into this one.
    - yummyfajitas 10y ago
      I think I misunderstood your comment and was responding to a different point. Sorry.
      - dpark 10y ago
        No worries.
matwood 10y ago
> There is, however, something to be said for people that never settle and by force of will reshape the world around them to conform to their expectations. If by force of will I wanted to work at Google for example, I would take steps to improve my chances of making that happen. This story is not about force of will at all, but someone with low self discipline and possibly depressed (clinical depression could be a factor here and he should look into it). He complains about lack of something to do. There is plenty to do starting with making a schedule listing things to learn for the day that will improve his chances getting the job he wants. I'm sure potential employers are looking at him asking the same questions people here are asking. You've been unemployed for 2 years and have learned what?

kevinml 10y ago

I'm about 4 years into my career as a software dev, but you know what I did before that? Worked a shitty manual labor job at a warehouse with shitty 13-hour days and not a lot of pay. I rarely got to see my friends who were more successful starting their own careers. But what I did have is money to pay my rent and free time to continue learning and honing my skills. Yeah it really sucked working in that warehouse and it was embarrassing a little bit. I used that as motivation. Fuck pride indeed.

Kurtz79 10y ago
"Yeah it really sucked working in that warehouse and it was embarrassing a little bit. I used that as motivation. Fuck pride indeed" It seems to me that pride really was your motivation... and there's nothing wrong with it.
matwood 10y ago
>I used that as motivation. This. I worked overnight stocking shelves in a grocery store for awhile. It sucked, but I did a good job while I looked for different work. Then I waited tables for awhile after that. All the jobs I have had have taught me various things, but the main one was motivation to not have to do those jobs.