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>>[1]John Steele gleefully threatened opponents and Paul Hansmeier famously sneered at the defamation defendants "welcome to the big leagues." It was those acti

>>[1]John Steele gleefully threatened opponents and Paul Hansmeier famously sneered at the defamation defendants "welcome to the big leagues." It was those actions that drew much more attention to their cases. Character is destiny. Not only are Steele and Hansmeier wanton crooks, they're spiteful, entitled, arrogant douches. That led to their downfall.<< But the part that I really find interesting is this: >>Character is destiny. ....they're spiteful, entitled, arrogant douches. That led to their downfall I say bullshit. Just look at Trump. The guy has fucked over so many people and sexually assaulted many woman by his own words and we still elected him. It let to their downfall because they were not powerful enough. [1]https://popehat.com/2016/12/16/the-prenda-saga-goes-criminal-steele-and-hansmeier-indicted-on-federal-charges/ https://popehat.com/2016/12/16/the-prenda-saga-goes-criminal...

CPLX 10y ago
Of course it may be premature to say that Trump has avoided eventual downfall.
mistercow 10y ago
You are right that not everyone gets their "comeuppance". Maybe a better way of saying this is "society has an immune system to deal with habitual bad actors, and in this case that immune system worked".
rhlhkr 10y ago
@user837387 --- you're clearly a cuck who drinks the MSM koolaid. If a subcontractor doesn't do good work, he doesn't get paid and he has a right to sue.
cookiecaper 10y ago
While I accept the thesis that being what some random author estimates to be a bad person is not really tightly linked to either long-term success or failure, I'd advise against using such divisive, sensitive topics as contemporary presidential politics to illustrate your point. It's just baiting that is going to make the conversation devolve quickly. Suffice it to say, enough Americans reject that narrative about Trump for him to have won the election. There are much better examples out there.
- user5994461 10y ago
  Maybe Trump just didn't have a good enough opponent whereas these guys did.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    They made several million dollars seeking settlements generally in the single-digit thousands, so it obviously took them on the order of a thousand opponents till they hit a good enough one.
joe_the_user 10y ago
It's kind of the same dynamic as a bubble. Screw over people, get money, get intimidation power, leverage that to more power and more personal cachet. If you keep the process going, you can get to a position of president of the largest nation state in the world. If you falter, your enemies will pounce on you. A lot has to do with luck, with how easily cowed your enemies are, etc.
dragonwriter 10y ago
The Prenda principals has a lot of success before their fall, too, due to an insufficient numbers of people in the right positions penetrating their layers of protective B.S.
monochromatic 10y ago
Why make it political? Is Trump just living rent-free in your head like he is with so many journalists? Also, re: "sexually assaulted many women by his own words." I assume you're referring to comments about grabbing women by the pussy, just kissing them without waiting, etc. Whenever people try to turn those unfortunate comments into an admission, they conveniently forget what seems to me to be the most important part: "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” If they let you do it, it isn't assault.
- logicallee 10y ago
  I was in long relationships and didn't date much. I Googled whether women wanted to be asked to be kissed. Google it yourself to see what I found. By the way Trump has been married three times, with these lengths: - Ivana Zelníčková (m. 1977–92) - Marla Maples (m. 1993–99) - Melania Knauss (m. 2005) seems better than most people's marriages. I don't know how I read "rape culture" and "silence denotes consent" but under the rules that women state they want, men are in a difficult position. For example, women will prefer that they try for a kiss and to reject them. Does that mean a woman always has to be on guard and ready to reject anyone, in any context, all the time? As a man I don't have to constantly be on guard that some girl will grab my junk or try to kiss me, at any moment, in any context, and be ready to formulate a quick yet diplomatic rejection on a moment's notice, perhaps after being techhnically sexually assaulted (in that I didn't want the unwanted touching). Whereas it seems to me that what women state they want is that situation. Or they've internalized it and normalized it. I personally don't like hookup culture and dating culture whatsoever, and think serious relationships are a lot saner and easier. But I have to play by the rules other people set up. Which are stupid. The percentage of women voting for Trump is not low.[1] "According to exit polls, 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump". To take an example that women do not state they want, they (obviously) do not want to be roofied or date raped (and men don't want to do it either -- I have no idea who possibly could be doing all that roofying, I can't imagine that I've ever talked to any man anywhere who would do it. It goes sooooo far beyond what is normal.) But could you imagine Bill Cosby (who has been accused of literally date-raping or roofying multiple women) would run for any office and be voted for, by anyone? So that 53% of women is very strong. (Especially given that Trump had no political background, and was a republican; both of which speak against many people voting for him, on those grounds alone.) One thing that I will say is, that after Googling how women like to be approached, kissed, etc, and ignoring anything not literally written by a woman, I would say there is a strong culture, as expressed by women, encouraging the behavior Trump self-reported. As a man it's not my place to tell women what they should report wanting; that's feminists' job. At the moment they're not doing well at it. As suggested at the top, please Google whether women (in their own words) want to be asked to be kissed, and compare it with the behavior Trump self-reports. Compare this also with the women who have spoken out against his behavior. [1] http://www.popsugar.com/news/What-Percentage-White-Women-Voted-Trump-42690419 http://www.popsugar.com/news/What-Percentage-White-Women-Vot...
nathanasmith 10y ago
I don't think I can take these impromptu rants for the next eight years. You've inspired me to write a Greasemonkey script to filter out any comment with the word "Trump" in it. Thanks.
- david-given 10y ago
  Well... I just reread Roger Zelazny's Amber series, and recent political events did lend a certain surreality to the Amberites' magical fast travel system (named after certain playing cards). So you'll be missing out on some things. (They're good books. Read them.)
- monochromatic 10y ago
  link pls
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  Eight years? We're assuming the incumbent will be re-elected in four years? At that point we might as well just assume they abolish the two-term limit and crown him king.
  - DiabloD3 10y ago
    This guy is being downvoted, but he's right, although he put it in a very antagonistic way. I don't see Trump making it to a second term, especially with all the missteps he's taken so far, and he's not even President yet.
    - pre4646744 10y ago
      Frankly at this point I'm not sure of anything. I'm just waiting to see what happens next.
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    Incumbents almost always win their elections. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years, but in general, an assumption that a new President-elect will serve two terms is reasonably safe.
sctb 10y ago
We have to ask that you please do not introduce political (or otherwise) controversy into unrelated threads like this. It so predictably trashes the discussion that it's indistinguishable from outright trolling.

CPLX 10y ago

Of course it may be premature to say that Trump has avoided eventual downfall.

mistercow 10y ago

You are right that not everyone gets their "comeuppance". Maybe a better way of saying this is "society has an immune system to deal with habitual bad actors, and in this case that immune system worked".

rhlhkr 10y ago

@user837387 --- you're clearly a cuck who drinks the MSM koolaid. If a subcontractor doesn't do good work, he doesn't get paid and he has a right to sue.

cookiecaper 10y ago

While I accept the thesis that being what some random author estimates to be a bad person is not really tightly linked to either long-term success or failure, I'd advise against using such divisive, sensitive topics as contemporary presidential politics to illustrate your point. It's just baiting that is going to make the conversation devolve quickly. Suffice it to say, enough Americans reject that narrative about Trump for him to have won the election. There are much better examples out there.

user5994461 10y ago
Maybe Trump just didn't have a good enough opponent whereas these guys did.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  They made several million dollars seeking settlements generally in the single-digit thousands, so it obviously took them on the order of a thousand opponents till they hit a good enough one.

joe_the_user 10y ago

It's kind of the same dynamic as a bubble. Screw over people, get money, get intimidation power, leverage that to more power and more personal cachet. If you keep the process going, you can get to a position of president of the largest nation state in the world. If you falter, your enemies will pounce on you. A lot has to do with luck, with how easily cowed your enemies are, etc.

dragonwriter 10y ago

The Prenda principals has a lot of success before their fall, too, due to an insufficient numbers of people in the right positions penetrating their layers of protective B.S.

monochromatic 10y ago

Why make it political? Is Trump just living rent-free in your head like he is with so many journalists? Also, re: "sexually assaulted many women by his own words." I assume you're referring to comments about grabbing women by the pussy, just kissing them without waiting, etc. Whenever people try to turn those unfortunate comments into an admission, they conveniently forget what seems to me to be the most important part: "And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” If they let you do it, it isn't assault.

logicallee 10y ago
I was in long relationships and didn't date much. I Googled whether women wanted to be asked to be kissed. Google it yourself to see what I found. By the way Trump has been married three times, with these lengths: - Ivana Zelníčková (m. 1977–92) - Marla Maples (m. 1993–99) - Melania Knauss (m. 2005) seems better than most people's marriages. I don't know how I read "rape culture" and "silence denotes consent" but under the rules that women state they want, men are in a difficult position. For example, women will prefer that they try for a kiss and to reject them. Does that mean a woman always has to be on guard and ready to reject anyone, in any context, all the time? As a man I don't have to constantly be on guard that some girl will grab my junk or try to kiss me, at any moment, in any context, and be ready to formulate a quick yet diplomatic rejection on a moment's notice, perhaps after being techhnically sexually assaulted (in that I didn't want the unwanted touching). Whereas it seems to me that what women state they want is that situation. Or they've internalized it and normalized it. I personally don't like hookup culture and dating culture whatsoever, and think serious relationships are a lot saner and easier. But I have to play by the rules other people set up. Which are stupid. The percentage of women voting for Trump is not low.[1] "According to exit polls, 53 percent of white women voted for Donald Trump". To take an example that women do not state they want, they (obviously) do not want to be roofied or date raped (and men don't want to do it either -- I have no idea who possibly could be doing all that roofying, I can't imagine that I've ever talked to any man anywhere who would do it. It goes sooooo far beyond what is normal.) But could you imagine Bill Cosby (who has been accused of literally date-raping or roofying multiple women) would run for any office and be voted for, by anyone? So that 53% of women is very strong. (Especially given that Trump had no political background, and was a republican; both of which speak against many people voting for him, on those grounds alone.) One thing that I will say is, that after Googling how women like to be approached, kissed, etc, and ignoring anything not literally written by a woman, I would say there is a strong culture, as expressed by women, encouraging the behavior Trump self-reported. As a man it's not my place to tell women what they should report wanting; that's feminists' job. At the moment they're not doing well at it. As suggested at the top, please Google whether women (in their own words) want to be asked to be kissed, and compare it with the behavior Trump self-reports. Compare this also with the women who have spoken out against his behavior. [1] http://www.popsugar.com/news/What-Percentage-White-Women-Voted-Trump-42690419 http://www.popsugar.com/news/What-Percentage-White-Women-Vot...

nathanasmith 10y ago

I don't think I can take these impromptu rants for the next eight years. You've inspired me to write a Greasemonkey script to filter out any comment with the word "Trump" in it. Thanks.

david-given 10y ago
Well... I just reread Roger Zelazny's Amber series, and recent political events did lend a certain surreality to the Amberites' magical fast travel system (named after certain playing cards). So you'll be missing out on some things. (They're good books. Read them.)
monochromatic 10y ago
link pls
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Eight years? We're assuming the incumbent will be re-elected in four years? At that point we might as well just assume they abolish the two-term limit and crown him king.
- DiabloD3 10y ago
  This guy is being downvoted, but he's right, although he put it in a very antagonistic way. I don't see Trump making it to a second term, especially with all the missteps he's taken so far, and he's not even President yet.
  - pre4646744 10y ago
    Frankly at this point I'm not sure of anything. I'm just waiting to see what happens next.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  Incumbents almost always win their elections. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years, but in general, an assumption that a new President-elect will serve two terms is reasonably safe.

sctb 10y ago

We have to ask that you please do not introduce political (or otherwise) controversy into unrelated threads like this. It so predictably trashes the discussion that it's indistinguishable from outright trolling.