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That's not really an option: As long as we pump CO2 into the atmosphere climate keeps changing and at some point you just run out of money if it's spend on cons

by noiv 10y ago

That's not really an option: As long as we pump CO2 into the atmosphere climate keeps changing and at some point you just run out of money if it's spend on consequences. And at that point the problem is still there. The Montreal Protocol is quite successful in repairing the ozone layer. It is not like we always failed rolling back industrial missteps.

agumonkey 10y ago
Isn't the CO2 density issue far larger than the Ozone layer holes ? I've never seen it mentionned, so I assumed that "fixing" the CO2 issue was not possible yet, and that we would only stop emission as much as possible hoping the system not to tilt out of balance.
- restalis 10y ago
  "Isn't the CO2 density issue far larger than the Ozone layer holes ?" The Ozone layer affects us directly on anatomical level. The rising quotient of atmospheric CO₂ will affect us more economically than in other ways. "«fixing» the CO2 issue was not possible yet, and that we would only stop emission as much as possible hoping the system not to tilt out of balance" The system will most likely "tilt out of balance" as the mere stopping of all CO₂ emissions won't stop the current self-evolving situation. The Arctic, Antarctic, and other regions that still have ice-sheets will melt simply due to risen global temperature. This it itself will cause a further rise in global temperature. Then, again due to global temperature increase, there are significant reserves of methane trapped in shallow layers of permafrost that are at risk of getting released into the atmosphere. Methane will enhance the current green-house effect as it does a much better job than CO₂ in this regard. In conclusion, we are, how the Chinese say, "living interesting times"!
- marcosdumay 10y ago
  What you mean by a "large issue"? The holes on the Ozone layer could potentially have a larger impact than any reasonably prediction for Global Warming. But stopping it was relatively much simpler.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    larger volume impacted. I thought the ozone gaps where somehow local. CO2 density is quite uniform in the atmosphere isn't it ?
    - marcosdumay 10y ago
      Ozone gaps were mostly restricted polar regions. But there was nothing restricting it there, it could in theory grow all the way to the Equator.

by noiv 10y ago

agumonkey 10y ago

Isn't the CO2 density issue far larger than the Ozone layer holes ? I've never seen it mentionned, so I assumed that "fixing" the CO2 issue was not possible yet, and that we would only stop emission as much as possible hoping the system not to tilt out of balance.

restalis 10y ago
"Isn't the CO2 density issue far larger than the Ozone layer holes ?" The Ozone layer affects us directly on anatomical level. The rising quotient of atmospheric CO₂ will affect us more economically than in other ways. "«fixing» the CO2 issue was not possible yet, and that we would only stop emission as much as possible hoping the system not to tilt out of balance" The system will most likely "tilt out of balance" as the mere stopping of all CO₂ emissions won't stop the current self-evolving situation. The Arctic, Antarctic, and other regions that still have ice-sheets will melt simply due to risen global temperature. This it itself will cause a further rise in global temperature. Then, again due to global temperature increase, there are significant reserves of methane trapped in shallow layers of permafrost that are at risk of getting released into the atmosphere. Methane will enhance the current green-house effect as it does a much better job than CO₂ in this regard. In conclusion, we are, how the Chinese say, "living interesting times"!
marcosdumay 10y ago
What you mean by a "large issue"? The holes on the Ozone layer could potentially have a larger impact than any reasonably prediction for Global Warming. But stopping it was relatively much simpler.
- agumonkey 10y ago
  larger volume impacted. I thought the ozone gaps where somehow local. CO2 density is quite uniform in the atmosphere isn't it ?
  - marcosdumay 10y ago
    Ozone gaps were mostly restricted polar regions. But there was nothing restricting it there, it could in theory grow all the way to the Equator.