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Maybe because... it IS a marketing page? As much as I've also become an apple hater recently because of what they've done to iOS10 and the new macbook pro, I t

Maybe because... it IS a marketing page? As much as I've also become an apple hater recently because of what they've done to iOS10 and the new macbook pro, I think criticizing a marketing copy for being a marketing copy is not fair.

plainOldText 10y ago
What are some of the things you hate about iOS 10? I've also disliked a few changes they've introduced, but after spending more time with the OS, I've discovered that some changes were not as bad as I'd initially considered. It was more a matter of getting used to. I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to.
- larrik 10y ago
  Not the OP, but I hate the 2-page swipe-up screen. I can't get used to it. Having so much real estate dedicated to crap like AirPlay, AirDrop and NightShift makes zero sense to me. I'm not in love with "click to unlock" either, although the 7 makes it bearable with raise-to-wake (it's just stupid on my 6, though).
  - plainOldText 10y ago
    There's an option for the home button under "Accessibility" called "Rest finger to open". Turn that on, and you'll be able to unlock your phone with no clicks. It probably doesn't work for non Touch ID phones.
    - larrik 10y ago
      That sounds like the opposite of what I want. I find myself unlocking accidentally now (though less often than when I first upgraded).
- DigitalJack 10y ago
  I hate the apple apps. People have loved to hate Apple apps for years but I've been ok with them. However, more and more I'm running into things that are just stupid or buggy or both. The TV app is the latest annoyance. All our purchases are under my wife's account, and there seems to be no way to view family sharing purchases with the app. I'm using a beta of iOS and I keep hoping it'll be added, but this is the seventh beta I think, and I've pretty much given up.
- deleted 10y ago
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- cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
  > I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to. Trust me I used to be one of those people who would say the same thing you're saying. I was like "What's the big deal? These people just don't like change. They'll get used to it." Except that you don't anymore. The reason I hate these changes is because things just don't work smoothly and disrupt your workflow, not to mention the UI being messy design-wise (I have NEVER complained about Apple's design changes ever since the first iPhone). And this is all because of the new features they introduced they're trying to shove down user's throats. Most of these features are built to satisfy Apple's agenda instead of making it easier for users to use. Just read what others have already said, these are features built for Apple, not for users.
  - kkoomi 10y ago
    Nobody is forcing you to upgrade! They must make changes to make progress.
    - tomatoman 10y ago
      laptops break, eventually you will have to
      - kkoomi 10y ago
        Laptops especially can use older versions of OS, easier than iOS
    - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
      Yes they are. Apple forces you to upgrade all the time. They keep sending push notifications until you find the option hidden somewhere in the settings and turn it off. You're assuming all changes are progress. They are not.
      - throwanem 10y ago
        How the hell do you turn that off? I'd love to know, because I'm not going to upgrade to iOS 10 until I'm sure it won't hose my phone, and I'm sick and tired of being bothered about it twice a day.
- jobu 10y ago
  There are a lot of small things that are making me hate iOS 10. 1) Unlock process: When the fingerprint reader fails it now takes several presses on the home key to get a keypad to pop up so I can input my code. With previous versions I could just swipe when I knew the fingerprint reader would fail (e.g. wet hands). 2) App updates: When apps are updating on my phone it decides it really wants to stay on the home screen. I can swipe to get to the other screens, but it goes back before I can tap any apps. Also, when I can get into an app they tend to lag and crash more when updates are happening in the background. 3) Control Center (bottom menu): Trying to slide the brightness or volume controls on the control center menus usually gets interpreted as a swipe to the next control menu. I have to be very precise when touching them for the sliders to actually work. 4) Safari: Auto-hide of the control buttons does help page visibility, but showing them seems to be glitchy as hell. They appear and then disappear before I can move my finger to tap them. 5) Crashes: At least daily now the whole phone crashes to a black screen and then comes back to the lock screen a few seconds later. Seems to involve location services. Also, not exactly iOS 10, but the new Watch OS completely broke the usability of the Weather app for me. Something that was fairly intuitive and useful is now cumbersome and basically useless to me.
  - ihuman 10y ago
    For 1, if I press home with finger that's not registered with TouchID, it immediately brings up the keyboard for a text password. 3 was allegedly fixed in iOS 10.2, which just came out.
  - 542458 10y ago
    I also had your issue 5. I can't say for sure, but taking a fresh backup, then restoring from that backup seemed to have fixed it for me. Best of luck!
  - oneplane 10y ago
    2 & 5 don't appear to be happening here, and 4 only seems to happen with the embedded browser view in some apps, not the 'normal' browser. At least, that's how it is for me.
  - tooFastFuckYou 10y ago
- hsod 10y ago
  My lil complaint is that the "notification actions" are much less smooth then they were in iOS9. This is the feature where you can reply to a text or snooze an alarm or whatever directly in the drop-down notification while the phone is unlocked. Also I've found that apple music CONSTANTLY loses my place if I pause my music for more than a couple minutes. This never used to happen with the old music app.
  - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
    This is exactly what I meant by apple pushing their own agenda instead of making user experience the priority. They are pushing this new notification thing which is pretty out of touch with how people actually use the phone--they think interacting directly from the notification is how people want to use it, when most people feel claustrophobic and would rather see the whole thing before making any action--and because of this, it introduces another step for people who just want to open the app and do the damn work
    - briandear 10y ago
      I am very interested how you know about "most people." Any data to back up your knowledge about what most people want or how they use their phones? I like interacting with the notification instead of losing context to respond to some message.
- swang 10y ago
  im using the previous version of ios 10 (one before current) and it has some weird battery draining bug and will shut off my iphone 6 plus at 30% and it's very hard to repower on without a charge source (e.g. ext charging battery). it also drains my battery heavily. the current version supposedly fixes the battery drain (not sure about the shutdown bug) but introduced a bug into another app that i use and don't want to risk upgrading for either. and this is the problem. apple charges premium prices but their software has gotten sloppy. macos and ios10 included. i upgraded to the latest macos version, sierra, and my escape key would not work for some reason (i was using vim and ended up doing ctrl-c? to activate) then i find out that killing siri on mac would fix the problem. then i found out a couple days later that their new macbook pro would not have an escape key. gee i wonder why they never caught this bug in testing?
  - inh3 10y ago
    My phone is showing the same battery and shut off issues. Your phone might be one of the ones Apple has identified as having issues. Check here: https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ I checked there and my phone is eligible for the battery replacement.
    - swang 10y ago
      thanks for this. i don't have a 6s. either that or it thinks i've already had a battery replacement. which could be true? this is my third 6 plus. my original's lcd screen had the touch disease, since it was just inside warranty they "replaced" it by just giving me a new phone. the replacement died within a week. serious wtf. so i went in and got yet another one. this one has been fine, mostly. but i'm probably not going to get a iphone for my next device. not saying no other devices do this but that touch disease should be fixed even if you're outside warranty and not be charged with the $329 it cost. my original phone was susceptible to it and only by sheer "luck" did it happen within my warranty.
  - x0x0 10y ago
    Yeah, Apple has turned into shit. Brand new mbp on 10.11.6. Opening new tabs in safari then cmd-L to put focus in the location bar would beachball safari for multiple seconds. The solution after much debugging was to disable com.apple.imklaunchagent These lazy engineers really should be ashamed of themselves. This was an out of box install on a brand new laptop on their browser with minimal 3rd party software installed (chrome, brew, intellij, but nothing that should interfere with the os.) I wasted 5 free hours trying to make the damn browser work.
- jodrellblank 10y ago
  The things mentioned by other people - message notification lag, stupid slidy cards for brightness and volume, lockscreen press home button to jump through hoop. Also - Photos. Wtf is the distinction between 'photos' and 'albums'. Why does Photos pretend to be a chronological hierarchy of Year -> Month -> Day but then drop to Tumblr style 'related' links, while Memories contain your grouped photos in any order, but so does Albums. Albums also try to dynamically group things by 'location' and 'selfies' and 'video' and 'camera roll'. Oh, they're all showing the same thing - the last thing I recorded? Useful. It's a complete mess and super frustrating to use. - The changes to take and send photos in iMessage. Used to be that taking a photo meant pressing and holding the photo button, sliding up to take a video. Now it's more steps, and the camera shutter button is awkwardly at the bottom of the screen, then there's another slider to the left to reveal another camera button, to switch to the camera app, to take a video. More steps for everything, which also displaces 'insert a previously taken photo'. Who benefits? - Video editing (trim) was glitchy in iOS9 and still is in iOS 10. Seriously, take photo, play with trim, randomly the video stops changing with the slider position, then the screen goes black, have to task-end the Photos app and try again. Video playback in Safari, also glitchy - pause somewhere, or skip forwards, get it playing from the start at 10x framerate (or more) with no audio, to 'catch up' to the new seek location. Seeking is still fiddly and often doesn't work well. - Still need to care about WiFi vs. Cellular because "we changed our App icon to a Christmas one" still means tens or hundreds of download.
SmkyMt 10y ago
And is not December 13 a primo time to hype the pee out of a $159 (U.S.) "stocking stuffer" (or an IOU for one)? ...though I cringe to think of the pressure at this time of year to release a product whose quality is not yet vetted by early adopters.
1_2__3 10y ago
There's marketing copy, and then there's throw-up-a-little-in-your-mouth marketing copy. This is the latter.
- Avshalom 10y ago
  Right, this isn't a world class entry into a nascent market. This is a pair of fucking headphones. A pair of headphones a month later than they should be that look exactly like their old headphones
  - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
    Maybe you missed something but I guess this is why you guys are so angry about this. Because it IS an entry into a nascent market. Apple sees this as a new IO device, not a "pair of fucking headphones". Take a look at the specs
    - Skunkleton 10y ago
      How is it anything more than a wireless version of the headphones they have been bundling for years?
      - gambiting 10y ago
        It's like calling a Tesla "an electric version of the same cars that were on the road for decades". Each headphone has a new chip that could probably run a whole smartphone few years ago - but I mean, if the fact that they are wireless is not impressive, then I don't think we can convince you.
        Amezarak 10y ago
        He's probably not impressed by the fact they're wireless because wireless headphones aren't new. I mean, even stodgy grumps like me have a pair that works well and cost $20. Wireless headphones just aren't impressive technology in December 2016. They've been done. Again and again. This isn't a Tesla situation by any means. Apple might have executed particularly well, but I see his point.
monochromatic 10y ago
What do you hate about iOS10? The new Messages app annoys me, but otherwise it seems fine.
- cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
  Yes, the new Messages app annoys me.
  - hasbroslasher 10y ago
    A lot of the time it seems like Apple just changes things on iOS just because, not because there's actually any tangible benefits to doing so. The UI changes for Messages iOS 10 is a perfect example - it feels cramped and complicated where it used to feel intuitive and easy to use.
    - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
      I think this time it's different. In the past it may have been true. That's why a lot of people hated iOS7 just because it was different. But Apple's recent updates are all bad because the root cause goes up to how Apple is trying to push their own agenda--they want to become the "Services" company, because the wall street thinks their device growth has stalled. For example their stickers is an attempt to monetize their user base with app purchases. They don't care that people would rather be able to take a photo and send with one tap, because they know users have no choice anyway. But this is super short sighted, Apple's recent moves reminds me of how Windows lost significant size of their users with Vista and went downhill.
    - threeseed 10y ago
      Messages is a terrible example of that. In fact what you are talking about makes absolutely no sense. The reason the UI is designed this way is because they decided to cram 100 features in a space that simply can't accomodate it properly. Stickers, Apps, Photos, Animations etc all of that takes space.
      - 10y ago
acedinlowball 10y ago
I'm not an Apple hater. I've always loved Apple and I will always stick with Apple. They have always come through for me and they are still the same wonderful company they have always been. In fact, it is MORE of a fad these days to be an Apple hater than an Apple fanboy. Why do you have to be a follower and hate on Apple? Try thinking for yourself.

plainOldText 10y ago

What are some of the things you hate about iOS 10? I've also disliked a few changes they've introduced, but after spending more time with the OS, I've discovered that some changes were not as bad as I'd initially considered. It was more a matter of getting used to. I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to.

larrik 10y ago
Not the OP, but I hate the 2-page swipe-up screen. I can't get used to it. Having so much real estate dedicated to crap like AirPlay, AirDrop and NightShift makes zero sense to me. I'm not in love with "click to unlock" either, although the 7 makes it bearable with raise-to-wake (it's just stupid on my 6, though).
- plainOldText 10y ago
  There's an option for the home button under "Accessibility" called "Rest finger to open". Turn that on, and you'll be able to unlock your phone with no clicks. It probably doesn't work for non Touch ID phones.
  - larrik 10y ago
    That sounds like the opposite of what I want. I find myself unlocking accidentally now (though less often than when I first upgraded).
DigitalJack 10y ago
I hate the apple apps. People have loved to hate Apple apps for years but I've been ok with them. However, more and more I'm running into things that are just stupid or buggy or both. The TV app is the latest annoyance. All our purchases are under my wife's account, and there seems to be no way to view family sharing purchases with the app. I'm using a beta of iOS and I keep hoping it'll be added, but this is the seventh beta I think, and I've pretty much given up.
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cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
> I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to. Trust me I used to be one of those people who would say the same thing you're saying. I was like "What's the big deal? These people just don't like change. They'll get used to it." Except that you don't anymore. The reason I hate these changes is because things just don't work smoothly and disrupt your workflow, not to mention the UI being messy design-wise (I have NEVER complained about Apple's design changes ever since the first iPhone). And this is all because of the new features they introduced they're trying to shove down user's throats. Most of these features are built to satisfy Apple's agenda instead of making it easier for users to use. Just read what others have already said, these are features built for Apple, not for users.
- kkoomi 10y ago
  Nobody is forcing you to upgrade! They must make changes to make progress.
  - tomatoman 10y ago
    laptops break, eventually you will have to
    - kkoomi 10y ago
      Laptops especially can use older versions of OS, easier than iOS
  - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
    Yes they are. Apple forces you to upgrade all the time. They keep sending push notifications until you find the option hidden somewhere in the settings and turn it off. You're assuming all changes are progress. They are not.
    - throwanem 10y ago
      How the hell do you turn that off? I'd love to know, because I'm not going to upgrade to iOS 10 until I'm sure it won't hose my phone, and I'm sick and tired of being bothered about it twice a day.
jobu 10y ago
There are a lot of small things that are making me hate iOS 10. 1) Unlock process: When the fingerprint reader fails it now takes several presses on the home key to get a keypad to pop up so I can input my code. With previous versions I could just swipe when I knew the fingerprint reader would fail (e.g. wet hands). 2) App updates: When apps are updating on my phone it decides it really wants to stay on the home screen. I can swipe to get to the other screens, but it goes back before I can tap any apps. Also, when I can get into an app they tend to lag and crash more when updates are happening in the background. 3) Control Center (bottom menu): Trying to slide the brightness or volume controls on the control center menus usually gets interpreted as a swipe to the next control menu. I have to be very precise when touching them for the sliders to actually work. 4) Safari: Auto-hide of the control buttons does help page visibility, but showing them seems to be glitchy as hell. They appear and then disappear before I can move my finger to tap them. 5) Crashes: At least daily now the whole phone crashes to a black screen and then comes back to the lock screen a few seconds later. Seems to involve location services. Also, not exactly iOS 10, but the new Watch OS completely broke the usability of the Weather app for me. Something that was fairly intuitive and useful is now cumbersome and basically useless to me.
- ihuman 10y ago
  For 1, if I press home with finger that's not registered with TouchID, it immediately brings up the keyboard for a text password. 3 was allegedly fixed in iOS 10.2, which just came out.
- 542458 10y ago
  I also had your issue 5. I can't say for sure, but taking a fresh backup, then restoring from that backup seemed to have fixed it for me. Best of luck!
- oneplane 10y ago
  2 & 5 don't appear to be happening here, and 4 only seems to happen with the embedded browser view in some apps, not the 'normal' browser. At least, that's how it is for me.
- tooFastFuckYou 10y ago
hsod 10y ago
My lil complaint is that the "notification actions" are much less smooth then they were in iOS9. This is the feature where you can reply to a text or snooze an alarm or whatever directly in the drop-down notification while the phone is unlocked. Also I've found that apple music CONSTANTLY loses my place if I pause my music for more than a couple minutes. This never used to happen with the old music app.
- cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
  This is exactly what I meant by apple pushing their own agenda instead of making user experience the priority. They are pushing this new notification thing which is pretty out of touch with how people actually use the phone--they think interacting directly from the notification is how people want to use it, when most people feel claustrophobic and would rather see the whole thing before making any action--and because of this, it introduces another step for people who just want to open the app and do the damn work
  - briandear 10y ago
    I am very interested how you know about "most people." Any data to back up your knowledge about what most people want or how they use their phones? I like interacting with the notification instead of losing context to respond to some message.
swang 10y ago
im using the previous version of ios 10 (one before current) and it has some weird battery draining bug and will shut off my iphone 6 plus at 30% and it's very hard to repower on without a charge source (e.g. ext charging battery). it also drains my battery heavily. the current version supposedly fixes the battery drain (not sure about the shutdown bug) but introduced a bug into another app that i use and don't want to risk upgrading for either. and this is the problem. apple charges premium prices but their software has gotten sloppy. macos and ios10 included. i upgraded to the latest macos version, sierra, and my escape key would not work for some reason (i was using vim and ended up doing ctrl-c? to activate) then i find out that killing siri on mac would fix the problem. then i found out a couple days later that their new macbook pro would not have an escape key. gee i wonder why they never caught this bug in testing?
- inh3 10y ago
  My phone is showing the same battery and shut off issues. Your phone might be one of the ones Apple has identified as having issues. Check here: https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/ I checked there and my phone is eligible for the battery replacement.
  - swang 10y ago
    thanks for this. i don't have a 6s. either that or it thinks i've already had a battery replacement. which could be true? this is my third 6 plus. my original's lcd screen had the touch disease, since it was just inside warranty they "replaced" it by just giving me a new phone. the replacement died within a week. serious wtf. so i went in and got yet another one. this one has been fine, mostly. but i'm probably not going to get a iphone for my next device. not saying no other devices do this but that touch disease should be fixed even if you're outside warranty and not be charged with the $329 it cost. my original phone was susceptible to it and only by sheer "luck" did it happen within my warranty.
- x0x0 10y ago
  Yeah, Apple has turned into shit. Brand new mbp on 10.11.6. Opening new tabs in safari then cmd-L to put focus in the location bar would beachball safari for multiple seconds. The solution after much debugging was to disable com.apple.imklaunchagent These lazy engineers really should be ashamed of themselves. This was an out of box install on a brand new laptop on their browser with minimal 3rd party software installed (chrome, brew, intellij, but nothing that should interfere with the os.) I wasted 5 free hours trying to make the damn browser work.
jodrellblank 10y ago
The things mentioned by other people - message notification lag, stupid slidy cards for brightness and volume, lockscreen press home button to jump through hoop. Also - Photos. Wtf is the distinction between 'photos' and 'albums'. Why does Photos pretend to be a chronological hierarchy of Year -> Month -> Day but then drop to Tumblr style 'related' links, while Memories contain your grouped photos in any order, but so does Albums. Albums also try to dynamically group things by 'location' and 'selfies' and 'video' and 'camera roll'. Oh, they're all showing the same thing - the last thing I recorded? Useful. It's a complete mess and super frustrating to use. - The changes to take and send photos in iMessage. Used to be that taking a photo meant pressing and holding the photo button, sliding up to take a video. Now it's more steps, and the camera shutter button is awkwardly at the bottom of the screen, then there's another slider to the left to reveal another camera button, to switch to the camera app, to take a video. More steps for everything, which also displaces 'insert a previously taken photo'. Who benefits? - Video editing (trim) was glitchy in iOS9 and still is in iOS 10. Seriously, take photo, play with trim, randomly the video stops changing with the slider position, then the screen goes black, have to task-end the Photos app and try again. Video playback in Safari, also glitchy - pause somewhere, or skip forwards, get it playing from the start at 10x framerate (or more) with no audio, to 'catch up' to the new seek location. Seeking is still fiddly and often doesn't work well. - Still need to care about WiFi vs. Cellular because "we changed our App icon to a Christmas one" still means tens or hundreds of download.

SmkyMt 10y ago

And is not December 13 a primo time to hype the pee out of a $159 (U.S.) "stocking stuffer" (or an IOU for one)? ...though I cringe to think of the pressure at this time of year to release a product whose quality is not yet vetted by early adopters.

1_2__3 10y ago

There's marketing copy, and then there's throw-up-a-little-in-your-mouth marketing copy. This is the latter.

Avshalom 10y ago
Right, this isn't a world class entry into a nascent market. This is a pair of fucking headphones. A pair of headphones a month later than they should be that look exactly like their old headphones
- cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
  Maybe you missed something but I guess this is why you guys are so angry about this. Because it IS an entry into a nascent market. Apple sees this as a new IO device, not a "pair of fucking headphones". Take a look at the specs
  - Skunkleton 10y ago
    How is it anything more than a wireless version of the headphones they have been bundling for years?
    - gambiting 10y ago
      It's like calling a Tesla "an electric version of the same cars that were on the road for decades". Each headphone has a new chip that could probably run a whole smartphone few years ago - but I mean, if the fact that they are wireless is not impressive, then I don't think we can convince you.
      - Amezarak 10y ago
        He's probably not impressed by the fact they're wireless because wireless headphones aren't new. I mean, even stodgy grumps like me have a pair that works well and cost $20. Wireless headphones just aren't impressive technology in December 2016. They've been done. Again and again. This isn't a Tesla situation by any means. Apple might have executed particularly well, but I see his point.

monochromatic 10y ago

What do you hate about iOS10? The new Messages app annoys me, but otherwise it seems fine.

cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
Yes, the new Messages app annoys me.
- hasbroslasher 10y ago
  A lot of the time it seems like Apple just changes things on iOS just because, not because there's actually any tangible benefits to doing so. The UI changes for Messages iOS 10 is a perfect example - it feels cramped and complicated where it used to feel intuitive and easy to use.
  - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
    I think this time it's different. In the past it may have been true. That's why a lot of people hated iOS7 just because it was different. But Apple's recent updates are all bad because the root cause goes up to how Apple is trying to push their own agenda--they want to become the "Services" company, because the wall street thinks their device growth has stalled. For example their stickers is an attempt to monetize their user base with app purchases. They don't care that people would rather be able to take a photo and send with one tap, because they know users have no choice anyway. But this is super short sighted, Apple's recent moves reminds me of how Windows lost significant size of their users with Vista and went downhill.
  - threeseed 10y ago
    Messages is a terrible example of that. In fact what you are talking about makes absolutely no sense. The reason the UI is designed this way is because they decided to cram 100 features in a space that simply can't accomodate it properly. Stickers, Apps, Photos, Animations etc all of that takes space.
    - 10y ago

acedinlowball 10y ago

I'm not an Apple hater. I've always loved Apple and I will always stick with Apple. They have always come through for me and they are still the same wonderful company they have always been. In fact, it is MORE of a fad these days to be an Apple hater than an Apple fanboy. Why do you have to be a follower and hate on Apple? Try thinking for yourself.