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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Apple will never back down on USB-C. Not now, not ever. In a perfect universe, any plug will fit into any port, yo

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Apple will never back down on USB-C. Not now, not ever. In a perfect universe, any plug will fit into any port, you wouldn't need to worry about adapters, and you wouldn't need to worry about interoperability. That's the future that Apple is counting on, and they think that they can bring it about by making every customer who buys the single most popular laptop on the planet a forced user.

11mariom 10y ago
I understand why there is no ethernet port. But… hdmi does not looks too big to have one on side. And the case is - when you are using Apple products you always must have some specific accessories - like adapters (for dvi in retinas, for usb-a for new mbp). Even the iPhone charging port is different - which is interesting as in Europe this should be usb port… I would like a bit bigger laptop with hdmi and usb-a without need to taking another bag with adapters… (bigger laptop without adapters would take less space than mbp + adapters)
protomyth 10y ago
I would be fine with the USB-C if it wasn't for the Lightning port and the drive to headphones on a proprietary connector or wireless. USB-C is a great standard and useful, it's the interaction with the Lightning port that making things difficult. On a side note, does Apple have a use case for Lighting / wireless headphones and ATMs with headphones jacks for the visually impaired?
lmm 10y ago
> In a perfect universe, any plug will fit into any port, you wouldn't need to worry about adapters, and you wouldn't need to worry about interoperability. That's the goal, but at the moment USB-C is a step backwards. "Any cable that fits in the port will work properly" is something we have today; USB-C is a regression from that.
module0000 10y ago
> Apple will never back down on USB-C This is true, it's not Apple's' MO to fallback, they will double down and plow forward(even if it's too soon).
tw04 10y ago
>the single most popular laptop on the planet Based on... what metric? I'm assuming you've got another metric beyond revenue, volume, and market share you're basing this on. Because by all measurable aspects, they're definitely not #1. If you're claiming one specific model of laptop like a 13" pro with a certain configuration, I've never seen Apple break down by model so I'd be interested to see your numbers.
slantyyz 10y ago
>> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Apple will never back down on USB-C. Nobody's pissed at Apple for going USB-C. I think everyone knows they're the future. But people are pissed that they dropped the other ports in the short term. You can argue about the future ad nauseum, but people want a computer that is present-friendly and future-resistant without a lot of inconvenience. Inconvenience is highly subjective, because I see a lot of people here are willing to put up with dongles on Macs instead of having to switch to an operating system or laptop form factor they don't like. That's perfectly fine. While I get a Mac lover isn't going to switch to PC over Apple's changes, it's worth noting that just about every other PC who makes a laptop with USB-C/TB3 offers dongle-free legacy ports. The ones that don't have legacy ports tend to include some free dongles in the box.
cptskippy 10y ago
> they think that they can bring it about by making every customer who buys the single most popular laptop on the planet a forced user. Are they wrong in that regard? Historically they pushed the adoption of USB, WiFi, and a couple other standards. They've always spurred the decline of floppies, CDs, and several other standards. I think the biggest problem with USB-C is that not all USB-C ports are created equal. Can it charge? Will it work with my monitor? Does it do x? There's no way to tell by looking at a port what it's capable of. You just have to plug in and hope whatever you're using is up to spec and doesn't fry the port or worse the entire PC. Apple for it's part has made the ports on the Pro function the same but that's probably also why there are so few of them because of the cost. Other manufacturers have no qualms about putting a half dozen crippled ports on a PC that will have slightly different capabilities. Just look at how many laptops have USB2 and USB3 ports on them.
lokedhs 10y ago
If only they would do it for their phones. That'll probably never happen though since they make far too much money on licensing the lightning port.

11mariom 10y ago

I understand why there is no ethernet port. But… hdmi does not looks too big to have one on side. And the case is - when you are using Apple products you always must have some specific accessories - like adapters (for dvi in retinas, for usb-a for new mbp). Even the iPhone charging port is different - which is interesting as in Europe this should be usb port… I would like a bit bigger laptop with hdmi and usb-a without need to taking another bag with adapters… (bigger laptop without adapters would take less space than mbp + adapters)

protomyth 10y ago

I would be fine with the USB-C if it wasn't for the Lightning port and the drive to headphones on a proprietary connector or wireless. USB-C is a great standard and useful, it's the interaction with the Lightning port that making things difficult. On a side note, does Apple have a use case for Lighting / wireless headphones and ATMs with headphones jacks for the visually impaired?

lmm 10y ago

> In a perfect universe, any plug will fit into any port, you wouldn't need to worry about adapters, and you wouldn't need to worry about interoperability. That's the goal, but at the moment USB-C is a step backwards. "Any cable that fits in the port will work properly" is something we have today; USB-C is a regression from that.

module0000 10y ago

> Apple will never back down on USB-C This is true, it's not Apple's' MO to fallback, they will double down and plow forward(even if it's too soon).

tw04 10y ago

>the single most popular laptop on the planet Based on... what metric? I'm assuming you've got another metric beyond revenue, volume, and market share you're basing this on. Because by all measurable aspects, they're definitely not #1. If you're claiming one specific model of laptop like a 13" pro with a certain configuration, I've never seen Apple break down by model so I'd be interested to see your numbers.

slantyyz 10y ago

>> I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Apple will never back down on USB-C. Nobody's pissed at Apple for going USB-C. I think everyone knows they're the future. But people are pissed that they dropped the other ports in the short term. You can argue about the future ad nauseum, but people want a computer that is present-friendly and future-resistant without a lot of inconvenience. Inconvenience is highly subjective, because I see a lot of people here are willing to put up with dongles on Macs instead of having to switch to an operating system or laptop form factor they don't like. That's perfectly fine. While I get a Mac lover isn't going to switch to PC over Apple's changes, it's worth noting that just about every other PC who makes a laptop with USB-C/TB3 offers dongle-free legacy ports. The ones that don't have legacy ports tend to include some free dongles in the box.

cptskippy 10y ago

> they think that they can bring it about by making every customer who buys the single most popular laptop on the planet a forced user. Are they wrong in that regard? Historically they pushed the adoption of USB, WiFi, and a couple other standards. They've always spurred the decline of floppies, CDs, and several other standards. I think the biggest problem with USB-C is that not all USB-C ports are created equal. Can it charge? Will it work with my monitor? Does it do x? There's no way to tell by looking at a port what it's capable of. You just have to plug in and hope whatever you're using is up to spec and doesn't fry the port or worse the entire PC. Apple for it's part has made the ports on the Pro function the same but that's probably also why there are so few of them because of the cost. Other manufacturers have no qualms about putting a half dozen crippled ports on a PC that will have slightly different capabilities. Just look at how many laptops have USB2 and USB3 ports on them.

lokedhs 10y ago

If only they would do it for their phones. That'll probably never happen though since they make far too much money on licensing the lightning port.