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note that you can get around the 80% breaker limit by having your DC hardwire the power, if you have enough scale to have them do this for you.

DanielDent 10y ago
Circuit breakers aren't just there for the amusement value of watching a clustered system go into split-brain mode... I.e. you would also want to be sure that your wiring was rated for 100% utilization, and that other circuit-breaker-like functions exist. Fire is an actual thing, and figuring out the best way to recharge a halon system isn't exactly what you want to be doing.
- late2part 10y ago
  Yes. That's why they hardwire and use a breaker rated at 100%. In most jurisdiction, code requires breaker at 80% if a plug/receptacle is used. If you are hardwired you can use 100% of your capacity before tripping the breaker. You have incorrectly assumed that I suggested that you ignore breakers. When you hardwire the circuit the electrical code allows you to use a 100% breaker.
  - DanielDent 10y ago
    Thank you for adding this detail... what you said makes WAY more sense to me now.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    What exactly gets hardwired to what? This is surprisingly hard to search for details on.
    - late2part 10y ago
      Instead of your plug of your PDU going into a receptacle, the wires that would go into the plug are hardwired to a panel circuit breaker. This is less common in DCs historically but more and more as folks do 208v 3phase 100A circuits.
mohctp 10y ago
This really is only a concern when you are paying a monthly recurring charge (MRC) by the breaker amp with many power drops. For a deployment of this scale it should be metered power (For example 1 (or more) 3phase a+b drops to each cabinet) where you only pay a Non-Recurring setup Charge (NRC) and then the MRC is based on actual power draw. 3phase also means fewer physical PDU's (uses less space), but more physical breakers. Over-building delivery capability will eliminate any over-draw concerns for startup cycles.
- late2part 10y ago
  Not really, although I agree with your reasoning. The other is issue is capex. When I deploy 240kW pods, if I use 80% breakers, I have to deploy 25% more PDUs than if I have 100% breakers. Since my cabinet number is usually evenly divisible by N*PDUs, this impacts overall capital.
  - mohctp 10y ago
    We are talking about 1 to 2 cab density here so capex doesn't carry that much weight. Having a little headroom on your power circuits is also incredibility important, and not every facility will sell 100% rated breakers. It may make more sense to be in a facility with 80% rated breakers than 100%, even with the added capex of an extra PDU or two. Goes back to my previous comment. What is important to you, at the pod / multiple pod level, isn't as important to the 1-2 cab deployment.
    - late2part 10y ago
      That's fair and accurate. Similarly, ensure spare room in the cabinet for adjustments, that thing you forgot, and small growth. Much better to have 70% full and not need the space then to have no free RU and need the space.
- late2part 10y ago
  Most DC PDUs will stagger your outlet power on to stagger the initially large power draws.

DanielDent 10y ago

Circuit breakers aren't just there for the amusement value of watching a clustered system go into split-brain mode... I.e. you would also want to be sure that your wiring was rated for 100% utilization, and that other circuit-breaker-like functions exist. Fire is an actual thing, and figuring out the best way to recharge a halon system isn't exactly what you want to be doing.

late2part 10y ago
Yes. That's why they hardwire and use a breaker rated at 100%. In most jurisdiction, code requires breaker at 80% if a plug/receptacle is used. If you are hardwired you can use 100% of your capacity before tripping the breaker. You have incorrectly assumed that I suggested that you ignore breakers. When you hardwire the circuit the electrical code allows you to use a 100% breaker.
- DanielDent 10y ago
  Thank you for adding this detail... what you said makes WAY more sense to me now.
- Dylan16807 10y ago
  What exactly gets hardwired to what? This is surprisingly hard to search for details on.
  - late2part 10y ago
    Instead of your plug of your PDU going into a receptacle, the wires that would go into the plug are hardwired to a panel circuit breaker. This is less common in DCs historically but more and more as folks do 208v 3phase 100A circuits.

mohctp 10y ago

This really is only a concern when you are paying a monthly recurring charge (MRC) by the breaker amp with many power drops. For a deployment of this scale it should be metered power (For example 1 (or more) 3phase a+b drops to each cabinet) where you only pay a Non-Recurring setup Charge (NRC) and then the MRC is based on actual power draw. 3phase also means fewer physical PDU's (uses less space), but more physical breakers. Over-building delivery capability will eliminate any over-draw concerns for startup cycles.

late2part 10y ago
Not really, although I agree with your reasoning. The other is issue is capex. When I deploy 240kW pods, if I use 80% breakers, I have to deploy 25% more PDUs than if I have 100% breakers. Since my cabinet number is usually evenly divisible by N*PDUs, this impacts overall capital.
- mohctp 10y ago
  We are talking about 1 to 2 cab density here so capex doesn't carry that much weight. Having a little headroom on your power circuits is also incredibility important, and not every facility will sell 100% rated breakers. It may make more sense to be in a facility with 80% rated breakers than 100%, even with the added capex of an extra PDU or two. Goes back to my previous comment. What is important to you, at the pod / multiple pod level, isn't as important to the 1-2 cab deployment.
  - late2part 10y ago
    That's fair and accurate. Similarly, ensure spare room in the cabinet for adjustments, that thing you forgot, and small growth. Much better to have 70% full and not need the space then to have no free RU and need the space.
late2part 10y ago
Most DC PDUs will stagger your outlet power on to stagger the initially large power draws.