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Does anyone know what this means for clojurescript?

by xntrk 10y ago

yegortimoshenko 10y ago
It makes a completely self-hosted ClojureScript compiler possible.
- reitzensteinm 10y ago
  It already is, except for the final Closure Compiler pass.
  - pitaj 10y ago
    And that is precisely why this makes a completely self-hosted compiler pass possible.
- xntrk 10y ago
  is java a requirement though? or was it only a requirement because of google closure?
  - matthewbauer 10y ago
    Java is no longer required.
- Skinney 10y ago
  clojurescript still requires clojure for macros, no?
  - swannodette 10y ago
    No, ClojureScript has been bootstrappable since late summer 2015. Everything already runs in JavaScript. It's just that now the final optional optimization pass can also run in JavaScript.
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espeed 10y ago
I created a ticket and posted this to the ClojureScript discussion group a few mins ago: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojurescript/jMSQChpCdhg/p72sKYiRBwAJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojurescript/jMSQChpCdhg/p7...
swannodette 10y ago
Nothing. Zero benefits here for typical usage of ClojureScript. Potentially interesting for 3rd party bootstrap efforts like Planck, Lumo, etc.
- espeed 10y ago
  True, but it helps fix the TTFX metric -- "Time to First XML" ;-) -- Derek Slager made a case for this in his talk at the Conj: "ClojureScript for Skeptics" https://youtu.be/gsffg5xxFQI?t=20m9s https://youtu.be/gsffg5xxFQI?t=20m9s The remaining bit of Java is like "a little piece of kelp that's stuck to the hull, and even though it's little, you don't want anything stuck to the hull" (http://www.tv-quotes.com/shows/the-west-wing/quote_14096.html http://www.tv-quotes.com/shows/the-west-wing/quote_14096.htm...). TTFX 1: http://clojurescript.org/guides/quick-start http://clojurescript.org/guides/quick-start
  - brucehauman 10y ago
    To be fair, the XML is listed at the very bottom as the last of the options for getting your dependencies.
- valw 10y ago
  Zero technical benefits for sure, but it may help with ClojureScript's marketing. I've seen many JS developers outright dismiss ClojureScript / Closure because they don't want anything that involves Java - which is completely irrational, but a reality still.

Does anyone know what this means for clojurescript?

by xntrk 10y ago

Does anyone know what this means for clojurescript?

yegortimoshenko 10y ago

It makes a completely self-hosted ClojureScript compiler possible.

reitzensteinm 10y ago
It already is, except for the final Closure Compiler pass.
- pitaj 10y ago
  And that is precisely why this makes a completely self-hosted compiler pass possible.
xntrk 10y ago
is java a requirement though? or was it only a requirement because of google closure?
- matthewbauer 10y ago
  Java is no longer required.
Skinney 10y ago
clojurescript still requires clojure for macros, no?
- swannodette 10y ago
  No, ClojureScript has been bootstrappable since late summer 2015. Everything already runs in JavaScript. It's just that now the final optional optimization pass can also run in JavaScript.

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espeed 10y ago

I created a ticket and posted this to the ClojureScript discussion group a few mins ago: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojurescript/jMSQChpCdhg/p72sKYiRBwAJ https://groups.google.com/d/msg/clojurescript/jMSQChpCdhg/p7...

swannodette 10y ago

Nothing. Zero benefits here for typical usage of ClojureScript. Potentially interesting for 3rd party bootstrap efforts like Planck, Lumo, etc.

espeed 10y ago
True, but it helps fix the TTFX metric -- "Time to First XML" ;-) -- Derek Slager made a case for this in his talk at the Conj: "ClojureScript for Skeptics" https://youtu.be/gsffg5xxFQI?t=20m9s https://youtu.be/gsffg5xxFQI?t=20m9s The remaining bit of Java is like "a little piece of kelp that's stuck to the hull, and even though it's little, you don't want anything stuck to the hull" (http://www.tv-quotes.com/shows/the-west-wing/quote_14096.html http://www.tv-quotes.com/shows/the-west-wing/quote_14096.htm...). TTFX 1: http://clojurescript.org/guides/quick-start http://clojurescript.org/guides/quick-start
- brucehauman 10y ago
  To be fair, the XML is listed at the very bottom as the last of the options for getting your dependencies.
valw 10y ago
Zero technical benefits for sure, but it may help with ClojureScript's marketing. I've seen many JS developers outright dismiss ClojureScript / Closure because they don't want anything that involves Java - which is completely irrational, but a reality still.