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Calling bs on "uber as a company is very ethical" and "nothing nefarious is going on": Spying on a journalist: http://www.businessinsider.com/ubers-new-york-ma

Calling bs on "uber as a company is very ethical" and "nothing nefarious is going on": Spying on a journalist: http://www.businessinsider.com/ubers-new-york-manager-investigated-for-using-god-view-2014-11 http://www.businessinsider.com/ubers-new-york-manager-invest... Tracking celebrities and sharing publicly: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view-uber-allegedly-stalked-users-for-party-goers-viewing-pleasure/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/10/03/god-view-...

employee8000 10y ago
Both articles from 2014. Uber 2014 and Uber 2016 are different companies, probably 5x the number of employees and has matured substantially especially with employee conduct expectations. I would be shocked and angry if something like that happened today.
- zachrose 10y ago
  That's not how trust works.
- abduhl 10y ago
  Have personnel changes happened at the highest levels of the organization since 2014? The abuse discussed in the links came down from the top ranks of Uber. When did you join Uber? If it was not prior to 2014, what makes you an expert on how the company had mature and, if prior to 2014, why were you not shocked and angry when these events occurred in 2014?
- iamdave 10y ago
  Uber 2014 and Uber 2016 are different companies What are you basing this on and point me to supporting evidence of this, failing that I need something more convincing than increased headcount as a motivator to give Uber my trust as a consumer again.
- yladiz 10y ago
  Really? A simple search found me an article from 2016 where a judge lambasted Uber's counsel about hiring a company who did unlicensed background investigation against someone who filed a lawsuit against Kalanick[1]. I've heard from you and multiple employees that you would be "shocked or angry" or believe "Uber is a good company and wouldn't have joined otherwise." But I find this hard to believe because if that was the case, then Uber would have lost most of their engineers in the beginning, pre-2014, when they were doing really shady stuff. Maybe you and your colleagues that use Hacker News that publicly commented on this thread would quit if something unethical happened, but words are empty while actions are not and I haven't heard of a case where a large group of Uber engineers or employees are protesting about their company's unethical nature. Color me unconvinced when I hear your words. http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/judge-uber-background-check-lawsuit-criminal/ http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/judge-uber-background-check-la...
- chris_wot 10y ago
  Weak, so weak. This is how the company was founded, and they want us to trust them with their data? Hell no.
LargeCompanies 10y ago
- Search Twitter for fraud rides in London .. happens to tons of people a month but they don't care. I got hit up for a 1k ride in London yet im in the US. - Try canceling your account .. you have to contact their support who will cancel it for you. What i signed up once and you let my account get hacked and dont care and I cant cancel my account myself? I have to wait a week???? - SOmeone I know has leased a car through one of their leasing car companies and it has ruined his life financially with all their nickel and diming and no invoice from them in regards to what he is being charged for. They just brush him off... he works two jobs .. a sales job and Uber to feed his family. - In a few years all Uber's loyal drivers who use it to get by and feed their families will be screwed over by Uber. How can anyone call Uber ethical ... it's the epitome of why Hilary Clinton lost as it's all about making huge profits for a very small subset of people at the expense of the majority who Uber is just using to get filthy rich. Worst company ever run by silicon valley lucky ass unicorn douchebags who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Their smug asses need to meet the smack down of govt. regulationS!!!
- lostlogin 10y ago
  You might want to edit or delete most of that later section.
  - Neliquat 10y ago
    He isnt wrong.
    - lostlogin 10y ago
      Über is the epitome of why Hilary lost?
      - LargeCompanies 10y ago
        Yes, she targeted the non-forgotten man and woman like Uber execs and their employees pulling billions to miollions to 6 figures.
  - 10y ago
stephenr 10y ago
Didn't Uber also do tracking of user battery and establish that they can charge more, more reliably when the user has low battery?
- aedron 10y ago
  That is deliciously evil.
  - gourou 10y ago
    There you go http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uber-knows-when-your-phone-is-about-to-run-out-of-battery-a7042416.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new...
  - JonnieCache 10y ago
    Apparently they have simply observed that users are more likely to pay the surge pricing when low on battery, and they claim not to factor it into the surge algorithm itself. Makes sense to me, afaik the driver UI shows surge pricing based on an area and not individual users.

employee8000 10y ago

Both articles from 2014. Uber 2014 and Uber 2016 are different companies, probably 5x the number of employees and has matured substantially especially with employee conduct expectations. I would be shocked and angry if something like that happened today.

zachrose 10y ago
That's not how trust works.
abduhl 10y ago
Have personnel changes happened at the highest levels of the organization since 2014? The abuse discussed in the links came down from the top ranks of Uber. When did you join Uber? If it was not prior to 2014, what makes you an expert on how the company had mature and, if prior to 2014, why were you not shocked and angry when these events occurred in 2014?
iamdave 10y ago
Uber 2014 and Uber 2016 are different companies What are you basing this on and point me to supporting evidence of this, failing that I need something more convincing than increased headcount as a motivator to give Uber my trust as a consumer again.
yladiz 10y ago
Really? A simple search found me an article from 2016 where a judge lambasted Uber's counsel about hiring a company who did unlicensed background investigation against someone who filed a lawsuit against Kalanick[1]. I've heard from you and multiple employees that you would be "shocked or angry" or believe "Uber is a good company and wouldn't have joined otherwise." But I find this hard to believe because if that was the case, then Uber would have lost most of their engineers in the beginning, pre-2014, when they were doing really shady stuff. Maybe you and your colleagues that use Hacker News that publicly commented on this thread would quit if something unethical happened, but words are empty while actions are not and I haven't heard of a case where a large group of Uber engineers or employees are protesting about their company's unethical nature. Color me unconvinced when I hear your words. http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/judge-uber-background-check-lawsuit-criminal/ http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/judge-uber-background-check-la...
chris_wot 10y ago
Weak, so weak. This is how the company was founded, and they want us to trust them with their data? Hell no.

LargeCompanies 10y ago

- Search Twitter for fraud rides in London .. happens to tons of people a month but they don't care. I got hit up for a 1k ride in London yet im in the US. - Try canceling your account .. you have to contact their support who will cancel it for you. What i signed up once and you let my account get hacked and dont care and I cant cancel my account myself? I have to wait a week???? - SOmeone I know has leased a car through one of their leasing car companies and it has ruined his life financially with all their nickel and diming and no invoice from them in regards to what he is being charged for. They just brush him off... he works two jobs .. a sales job and Uber to feed his family. - In a few years all Uber's loyal drivers who use it to get by and feed their families will be screwed over by Uber. How can anyone call Uber ethical ... it's the epitome of why Hilary Clinton lost as it's all about making huge profits for a very small subset of people at the expense of the majority who Uber is just using to get filthy rich. Worst company ever run by silicon valley lucky ass unicorn douchebags who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves. Their smug asses need to meet the smack down of govt. regulationS!!!

lostlogin 10y ago
You might want to edit or delete most of that later section.
- Neliquat 10y ago
  He isnt wrong.
  - lostlogin 10y ago
    Über is the epitome of why Hilary lost?
    - LargeCompanies 10y ago
      Yes, she targeted the non-forgotten man and woman like Uber execs and their employees pulling billions to miollions to 6 figures.
- 10y ago

stephenr 10y ago

Didn't Uber also do tracking of user battery and establish that they can charge more, more reliably when the user has low battery?

aedron 10y ago
That is deliciously evil.
- gourou 10y ago
  There you go http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/uber-knows-when-your-phone-is-about-to-run-out-of-battery-a7042416.html http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/new...
- JonnieCache 10y ago
  Apparently they have simply observed that users are more likely to pay the surge pricing when low on battery, and they claim not to factor it into the surge algorithm itself. Makes sense to me, afaik the driver UI shows surge pricing based on an area and not individual users.