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Top OpenBSD Donors
- k_sze 10y agoDuckDuckGo also gave more than any of Microsoft, HP Enterprise, or Yandex.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago...Does that in any way surprise you? DDG has a program dedicated to donating money to open-source projects: they do it every year. MS, HP, and Yandex might also do so, but they don't have to same kind of dedication.
- znpy 10y agoI wonder if their Smartisan OS is OpenBSD-based
- leoaee 10y agono
- mafagafogigante 10y agoI would imagine they have some infrastructure running on OpenBSD.
- masklinn 10y agoOr they're doing it for the tooling e.g. supporting openssh edit: Smartisan's PR indicates the other donation is to OpenSSL, so it seems likely the primary purpose of the OpenBSD donation is in fact SSH.
- raesene6 10y agoFrom the spec page http://www.smartisan.com/en/m1/#/specs http://www.smartisan.com/en/m1/#/specs it appears their OS is based on Android.
- eb0la 10y agoSadly not; but I would buy an OpenBSD phone... if anyone wants to make it, please call me!
- madawan 10y agoSame here, especially since it'd mean it would /also/ run all the other open source operating systems. It'd be a great litmus-test ("hardware so open that even OpenBSD supports it").
- pawadu 10y agoSign me up too! But to be honest, the problem with Android is not the Linux kernel but the fact that most phones were never designed to be continuously updated.
- the_trapper 10y agoActually Linux is a very poor choice when a product depends on out of tree binary blobs to operate. The lack of stable driver ABIs and APIs are a real problem for long term maintenance. I'm really surprised that the BSDs aren't a much bigger player in the embedded space.
- mrweasel 10y agoNo, and a little yes. Their phones are Android based, but Androids libc is OpenBSD based: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000 http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000
- huan9huan 10y agoThanks to Yonghao,Luo, a great guy!
- aMayn 10y agoPerhaps they're simply grateful for OpenSSH and for all that it enables?
- icebraining 10y agoOr maybe they're just mistaken...? (I'm kidding) In celebration of this milestone, Smartisan will donate approximately 3 million RMB from sales of tickets of this year's and last year's launch events to OpenSSL Software Foundation and the OpenBSD Foundation, two Android open source service organizations. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/smartisan-technology-introduces-smartisan-os-31-including-revolutionary-open-source-features-300349051.html http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/smartisan-technology...
- masklinn 10y agoReads like a confirmation of aMayn's theory, donating to OpenSSL and OpenSSH simultanously makes sense.
- buovjaga 10y agoThey donated over 300k USD to OpenSSL in 2014: https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2014-December/000001.html https://mta.openssl.org/pipermail/openssl-announce/2014-Dece...
- ben_bai 10y agoWell, there is a lot of code from *BSD in Android, for example libc. OpenBSD: https://github.com/android/platform_bionic/search?q=openbsd https://github.com/android/platform_bionic/search?q=openbsd
- riobard 10y agoBackground: Smartisan is an Android phone maker in China. Smartisan fans pay for admission tickets to attend Smartisan's new product release events, and Smartisan donates the ticket sales to an open source project. So far they've donated to OpenSSL ($160k), OpenBSD (CA$280k), and OpenResty (pending approval). Edit: IIRC, Smartisan's first donation to OpenSSL happened right after HeartBleed.
- behnamoh 10y agoSo we should expect Chinese backdoors in OpenBSD too?
- AsyncAwait 10y agoI really do hope this is sarcasm, hard to detect over text.
- behnamoh 10y agoOne thing I've learnt about this world is that no one will do something for you just for the mere joy of doing it. There's always costs/benefits analysis involved.
- pc86 10y agoThe "mere joy" of doing something is itself a benefit, so I think you've just proved yourself wrong.
- behnamoh 10y agoHow can one measure "joy" with money? How can some quality have more value than some quantity (cost)? I did not prove myself wrong.
- happy-go-lucky 10y agoIt may be that you would have avoided being so cynical if they had not made that donation, but as can be seen, their contribution will keep the project going for a time.
- sandebert 10y agoSmartisan (the phone maker) is placed in the top level, called "Iridium". It's defined as $100,000 and above. That level of donation used to be defined as $100,000 to $250,000. [0] The removal of the top limit could in theory mean that Smartisan actually donated more than $250,000. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20161114061632/http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/contributors.html https://web.archive.org/web/20161114061632/http://www.openbs...
- ben_bai 10y ago$280,000 !
- aerique 10y agoWell, that works :-) Never heard of Smartisan, checking out their phones now.
- ansible 10y agoIf they are mandated by the PRC government to install spyware on all their phones... maybe you should reconsider that.
- jiyinyiyong 10y agoIf you know Chinese, I will suggest you watching the videos of the release events. That's a very popular event in China since the speech skills.
- tribaal 10y agoI don't understand much Chinese, but here is a video of one of those events in case you want to see what jiyinyiyong is talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPpeKPDoDg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hPpeKPDoDg It seems to be quite entertaining, by judging from the number of laughs/minute :)
- dorianm 10y agoSo Google donated to OpenBSD from 2012 to 2015 but not in 2016 (or less than $5000), interesting. They seem to be their only long term recurrent donor. Edit: Actually they are just part of the Core Infrastructure Initiative now https://www.coreinfrastructure.org https://www.coreinfrastructure.org
- vcistan-refugee 10y agoSurprise surprise, no donations from any of the big VC firms, including YC. Freeloaders.
- pawadu 10y agoBecause you have to move fast and break things and it is very hard to break OpenBSD :)
- witty_username 10y agoIf you're serious, then how is open source software "free" if there is an expectation of donations?
- toyg 10y agoWe should all strive for "Free as in freedom, not as in beer".
- greenokapi 10y agoOh here we go...
- kriro 10y agoI'd really like it if VC/incubators etc. would set up a donation system where they give X$ to projects that are used by their funded companies. I also wouldn't mind seeing an equivalent to the YC-nonprofit program specifically dedicated to the development of interesting FLOSS software (or the support of existing projects). At the very least I'd be interested in seeing an overview of the various FLOSS code that is used by every YC batch (maybe such a list exists?).
- crdoconnor 10y agoOr Apple.
- amelius 10y agoI expected Apple here, though I'm not sure what version of BSD they forked for OSX.
- insertnickname 10y agoFreeBSD
- toyg 10y agoApple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. AFAIK Apple are are not involved in OpenBSD at any level, nor do they donate to any OSS project; they just maintain a few selected ones.
- bergers89 10y agowrong, look at the firewall code from OS X.
- DashRattlesnake 10y ago> Apple did not "fork" anything, and certainly not OpenBSD. Their core OS (Darwin) was developed by NEXTStep. It reused chunks of the original BSD (from which FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD were all forked at one point or another) mostly for I/O interfaces, but the actual kernel architecture is very different. That's wrong. Apple pulled in and integrated a lot of code from FreeBSD itself to modernize NeXTStep. https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths: > most userland utilities and the C library on OS X are derived from FreeBSD versions > The XNU kernel used on OS X includes a few subsystems from (older versions of) FreeBSD, but is mostly an independent implementation.
- toyg 10y agoI don't see where what you state contradicts what I said.
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- toyg 10y agoConsidering few people here seems to have heard about Smartisan before this thread, I think we can agree that this sort of donation works very well for publicity among geeks.
- this-dang-guy 10y agoReminded me that I forgot to donate to them this quarter :)
- throw2016 10y agoIts strange to see negativity to genuine support for open source projects. Instead of inventing conspiracy theories to try to explain away and diminish the donations perhaps it might be better to focus on the positive. And maybe be try to understand why all the billion dollar companies so popular here rely on open source but do not seem to accomplish much beyond token gestures and posturing. Clearly Smartisan shows if there is a will you can do a lot. Maybe there is something to learn here that can lead to a positive change. I think its beginning to look more and more like HN should stick strictly to VC and new tech stores. There is no social or moral dimension here to process any other information.