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Jürgen maintains a lot of sock-puppet accounts (even on wikipedia and amazon reviews). Let's see if any of them show up in this thread. He is a perfectly good r

Jürgen maintains a lot of sock-puppet accounts (even on wikipedia and amazon reviews). Let's see if any of them show up in this thread. He is a perfectly good researcher and his students have done a lot of excellent work, but I don't approve of his choices to use an army of sock-puppets or his (I will try to put this charitably) somewhat non-standard ideas on how academic credit should be apportioned.

robotresearcher 10y ago
But you're cool with anonymously posting a public accusation of unprofessional behaviour without supporting evidence? (edit: apparently people are cool with this. That's weird. I'm not claiming the parent is untrue, it's just that you shouldn't talk smack about people in public without presenting evidence if you don't use your real name.)
- kevinskii 10y ago
  Clearly you're being downvoted by Teodolfo's sockpuppets.
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- helperAI 10y ago
  Hey Jurgen, I'm a big fan of your work
  - ericjang 10y ago
    Hey Jurgen, I'm a big fan of your work!
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- emmelaich 10y ago
  To be fair that accusation is also mentioned in the article.
  - ma2rten 10y ago
    Maybe I overread it, but I didn't see it.
    - cokernel 10y ago
      From paragraph 7: "He has been accused of taking credit for other people’s research and even using multiple aliases on Wikipedia to make it look as if people are agreeing with his posts."
      - dekhn 10y ago
        "Has been accused". Evidence lacking.
        cokernel 10y ago
        I do not take a position on the accusation. The purpose of the comment to which you are responding is to support emmelaich's assertion that the accusation is mentioned in the article.
- nitrogen 10y ago
  if you don't use your real name From what does the supposed requirement to use one's real name derive?
  - kevinskii 10y ago
    It's not a requirement. It's common decency. Accusing someone of sockpuppetry is no different than calling him a liar. Doing it from behind a pseudonym without offering any evidence is irresponsible and cowardly, as it gives that person no way to defend his reputation.
    - aoeu345 10y ago
      No one's reputation is at stake with internet comments from anonymous posters. The internet is protected from the forces that threaten physical forums where each voice is a real person. You cannot pay off the internet to talk nice about you, and you can't follow anon home and beat him up for speaking negatively. It sounds like Jurgen has accumulated some bad karma on the internet; this is not baseless accusation as much as it is keeping ourselves at a healthy level of skepticism regarding someone who has already lost our trust. The cowards with loud, strawman accusations are usually appropriately downvoted when their criticisms are out of place.
dharma1 10y ago
does he maintain them personally or are they LSTM bots? :) And btw, I think his sense of humour - and brilliance - comes across best in person. I recommend attending one of his talks or watch a video. But just do it once, otherwise you'll hear the same jokes again.
- BickNowstrom 10y ago
  In a nod to his history compression schemes, he sometimes slightly changes the punchlines of his jokes. http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/creativity.html http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/creativity.html

robotresearcher 10y ago

But you're cool with anonymously posting a public accusation of unprofessional behaviour without supporting evidence? (edit: apparently people are cool with this. That's weird. I'm not claiming the parent is untrue, it's just that you shouldn't talk smack about people in public without presenting evidence if you don't use your real name.)

kevinskii 10y ago
Clearly you're being downvoted by Teodolfo's sockpuppets.
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helperAI 10y ago
Hey Jurgen, I'm a big fan of your work
- ericjang 10y ago
  Hey Jurgen, I'm a big fan of your work!
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emmelaich 10y ago
To be fair that accusation is also mentioned in the article.
- ma2rten 10y ago
  Maybe I overread it, but I didn't see it.
  - cokernel 10y ago
    From paragraph 7: "He has been accused of taking credit for other people’s research and even using multiple aliases on Wikipedia to make it look as if people are agreeing with his posts."
    - dekhn 10y ago
      "Has been accused". Evidence lacking.
      - cokernel 10y ago
        I do not take a position on the accusation. The purpose of the comment to which you are responding is to support emmelaich's assertion that the accusation is mentioned in the article.
nitrogen 10y ago
if you don't use your real name From what does the supposed requirement to use one's real name derive?
- kevinskii 10y ago
  It's not a requirement. It's common decency. Accusing someone of sockpuppetry is no different than calling him a liar. Doing it from behind a pseudonym without offering any evidence is irresponsible and cowardly, as it gives that person no way to defend his reputation.
  - aoeu345 10y ago
    No one's reputation is at stake with internet comments from anonymous posters. The internet is protected from the forces that threaten physical forums where each voice is a real person. You cannot pay off the internet to talk nice about you, and you can't follow anon home and beat him up for speaking negatively. It sounds like Jurgen has accumulated some bad karma on the internet; this is not baseless accusation as much as it is keeping ourselves at a healthy level of skepticism regarding someone who has already lost our trust. The cowards with loud, strawman accusations are usually appropriately downvoted when their criticisms are out of place.

dharma1 10y ago

does he maintain them personally or are they LSTM bots? :) And btw, I think his sense of humour - and brilliance - comes across best in person. I recommend attending one of his talks or watch a video. But just do it once, otherwise you'll hear the same jokes again.

BickNowstrom 10y ago
In a nod to his history compression schemes, he sometimes slightly changes the punchlines of his jokes. http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/creativity.html http://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/creativity.html