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Farm Hack: worldwide community of farmers that build and modify our own tools
- tjic 10y agoI clicked over to this, prepared to hate-read it and leave a caustic comment. (background: I live on a farm, and have come across dozens if not hundreds of websites that promise to "open source", and/or "crowd source" "innovative", "new" plans for farm tools, all of which are either useless, overly complicated, too much work to build, or better bought as a working product from Tractor Supply.) ...and - much to my surprise - this website actually has a fair number of really decent ideas. "Pastured pig waterer", "Home built no-till seed drill", and a few others all look interesting. FWIW, over the next year or two I'd like to design and weld up a potato row mounder and a potato harvester, both designed to attach via three point hitch to my tractor. They're commercially available, but not locally, and shipping on big stuff like this is killer.
- hmhrex 10y agoThis was what I wanted to know coming over to the comments. This is really interesting to hear. I'm always curious when I see these websites if these tools are created by well-intentioned people that don't know the industry, or actual workers in that industry. I'll have to send this a long to my farmer friends.
- tjic 10y agoThis is an example of a site I hate: http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/ http://opensourceecology.org/gvcs/ They've re-invented the tractor and 3-point / PTO implements, but they've done so very VERY poorly, there are no instructions, everything is hand-wavy, etc. It's condescending bullshit by "designers" who want to help third worlders with no realization that the best approach for an actual third worlder is to buy a used / discount version of the commercially available product. For example, their cement mixer design is 25% done (whatever that means), and is going to cost about $1,000 in parts alone, or $1,800 in parts and labor. Here's one that attaches to a tractor for $900 http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660639_200660639 http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660639_200... and you can find similar items even cheaper on Alibaba. A lot of these "let's help people farm!" websites are made by people who don't know anything about anything but seem to be compelled to do something so that they're "helping".
- douche 10y agoIt's not like there aren't huge amounts of second-hand farm equipment that already exists, either. My dad is still running a John Deere M tractor from at least the early 50s, and all of the implements that we hook onto it are at least of that vintage (manure spreader, mowing machine, plow, harrows, potato hiller, potato digger, etc). Farming equipment was built ruggedly in those days, and it was simple enough that you can keep fixing and patching and welding it up almost indefinitely. A lot of times, people will even pay you to haul that kind of stuff off for them, if they don't know what they have.
- jff 10y ago> Farming equipment was built ruggedly in those days, and it was simple enough that you can keep fixing and patching and welding it up almost indefinitely. Interesting thing about the little old tractors, they were generally just the engine & transmission, with a seat stuck on top of the transmission and wheels attached. No real body or frame to speak of, it was all drivetrain. See this pic for an example: https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/gf0311/gf0311-103923/images/gf0311-103923_1@2x.jpg https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/gf0311/gf0311-103923/images/...
- AstroJetson 10y agoYep, my favorite bike is this one http://www.bikemenu.com/Jesse%20James%20Peterbilt%20Discovery%20Channel%20Monster%20Garage.html http://www.bikemenu.com/Jesse%20James%20Peterbilt%20Discover... He sits on the transmission. I grew up on a farm in the 60's, before the era of AC and GPS controlled tractors. Most everything was fixable on the farm with a pretty minimal tool chest
- vram22 10y agoWhat's meant by "GPS controlled tractors"? I know what GPS is but not clear how it is used in tractors; similar to how it's used in cars?
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- randomdata 10y ago> I'm always curious when I see these websites if these tools are created by well-intentioned people that don't know the industry, or actual workers in that industry. For what it is worth, as a farmer myself, I'm under the impression that a lot of these projects were created for someone's garden/backyard project, not a farm. That doesn't diminish their utility in that application, but the usefulness may not translate to farm-scale. But it's always fun to see what other people are doing, even if it isn't necessarily useful on my own farm. I wish discovery was a little better though. The site makes it difficult to segment the tools that are designed for the garden and those that would fit in on a larger farm.
- ourmandave 10y agoYour comment reminded me of the PlayPump idea that was going to supply fresh water to every village. https://newrepublic.com/article/120178/problem-international-development-and-plan-fix-it https://newrepublic.com/article/120178/problem-international...
- 0xdeadbeefbabe 10y agoGordon Murray recently designed a flat pack truck for the third world: "[The Ox is] The world’s first ‘flat-pack’ truck [...] designed to provide low-cost all-terrain mobility for remote parts of Africa and the developing world" [1] I wish they would try to disrupt the first world first instead. [1] http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/news-articles/the-world%E2%80%99s-first-%E2%80%98flat-pack%E2%80%99-truck-revealed,-set-to-bring-aid-to-remote-parts-of-africa-and-the-developing-world.html http://www.gordonmurraydesign.com/news-articles/the-world%E2... Edit: And a truck like this is just the thing for transporting crops or doing farm related tasks. This statement from 1 makes me worry, but I think it was meant to instill confidence, which is also worrisome: "It is unlike any other vehicle and has no direct competitor – whether from a concept, performance or pricing point of view."
- Avshalom 10y agoOf course you can buy like two Nissan frontiers or like 5 pixos (retail) for the price of of one of those, and spare parts and knowledge base for those is pre existing.
- pimlottc 10y agoGood grief, they go on about being "flat pack" and easy to put together but offer no photos of it as shipped or during the assembly process...
- sandworm101 10y agoWorse yet, they are playing tricks with the perspective. Look at the loading ramp. That's actually the rear gate unmounted and used as a ramp. But see how photographing it from that angle makes it look so much longer. The entire thing is a deathtrap. A used toyota pickup is better in every regard.
- burfog 10y agoIt seems to me that the obvious set of plans would be to replace all electronics of a modern piece of equipment, or to upgrade something older to modern capability. For the modern stuff, equipment can be unfixable without factory authorization. The rest (tires, frame, pistons...) is perfectly fine, so just replace the electronics. Older stuff doesn't do GPS, automated steering, and so on. That should be doable. It could probably be split into model-specific parts and more general parts, allowing at least some of it to be done as a large production run.
- vvanders 10y agoOlder stuff does just fine w/ 3pt hitch & PTO. You can hook up new implements to a 50 year old tractor. The biggest issue is finding parts for some of the less common makes/brands. Modern stuff is partially complex due to new emissions standards(things like DPF, regeneration and UREA). An open source ECU that solves those problems would be a good step. Clutch based tractors aren't that complex, there's just a large amount of capital investment in building them and very little incentives to make them open.
- colechristensen 10y agoThis is the key, somebody needs to make a minimal-electronics tractor new with even a moderate amount of openness.
- burfog 10y agoIdeally yes, but drop-in replacement electronics for a popular model would be almost as good.
- randomdata 10y agoWhat's the market? I can't imagine ever wanting to trade my modern electronics-filled tractors for the stuff we have run in the past, even if it was in brand new condition. I look forward to the day that I can upgrade my tractors to ones with even more electronics in them. Yeah, the electronics can break. But even on the equipment I own where the electronics are not critical to the operation, you still end up fixing it ASAP because you quickly miss not having it. Electronics have become heavily used because they add a lot of value. Perhaps not in the case of the aforementioned DEF, but that's a legal requirement, and even the most basic tractor you could imagine would still require it.
- localtalent 10y agoI've met them in person a few times while working for a magazine that documented solutions in resource-constrained (not necessarily poor) environments. IIRC, many of these projects came from actual farmers, not design students. There's a related project, the Greenhorns [0] working to recruit new, young farmers and support them as they get going - part of that is cutting equipment and labor costs. I chatted a couple of farmers who were using the produce washers built from old washing machines. Is it a solution for large-scale industrial farming? No. But from hobby farmers up to ones doing a 50-100 share CSA model, it makes a lot of sense and reduces barriers to entry.
- snikeris 10y ago[0] http://www.thegreenhorns.net/ http://www.thegreenhorns.net/ There ya go.
- vanderZwan 10y ago> IIRC, many of these projects came from actual farmers, not design students. As a designer, if there is one thing that pisses me off about my own field, it is that design students often are not encouraged enough to co-create with real stake-holders and end up just throwing ungrounded high-concept nonsense out there.
- staticvar 10y agoThe Greenhorns and National Young Farmers Association helped organize a Farm Hack event at RISD in 2012 where they brought together design students and farmers. Here's a link to the forum where a lot of the work was posted http://farmhack.org/forums/farm-hack-rhode-island-2012-risd http://farmhack.org/forums/farm-hack-rhode-island-2012-risd
- localtalent 10y agoIt hurts the field as a whole - when impossible-to-build CG renders and endless piles of pie-in-the-sky Post-Its becomes synonymous with 'design' it makes it that much harder to convince organizations to put resources behind including design in their planning and production.
- quickaccount 10y agoI grew up on a farm and I used to love reading through Farm Show magazine to see all the DIY inventions the other farmers would come up with. I just checked and it looks like it's still published though there's not much available on their website without a subscription which is too bad.
- MustardTiger 10y ago>They're commercially available At absurd prices though. It isn't just the shipping, small scale farm/market garden stuff is priced ridiculously high.
- Kinnard 10y agoThis reminds me of open-source ecology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63Cy64p2lQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S63Cy64p2lQ
- arxpoetica 10y agoThat guy is awesome.
- Mister_Snuggles 10y agoI had no idea that a large-capacity scale[0] was something that I could reasonably build myself. Granted, I don't need one, but I can think of a bunch of non-farming uses for something like that. Some of the concepts, like the vertical garden, could give city-dwellers the opportunity to grow their own food on an apartment balcony or make better use of a small back yard. [0] http://farmhack.org/tools/livestock-weigh-scales http://farmhack.org/tools/livestock-weigh-scales
- lowglow 10y agoI recently wrote[0] something related about my observations on toolmakers and their craft. "In life you're a tool maker or a tool user. What we're building at Baqqer[1] is a tool. Here's something I've noticed about tools and the people that make them. There are ultimately two types of tool makers. The first type of tool maker is an observer and participant of their own craft, and as such can make very insightful decisions on how to devise a tool from the systematic understanding of what explicitly and implicitly goes into the work being shaped by these tools. Typically these tools are utilitarian and without form in excess beyond what is absolutely necessary to accomplish the task. This is the truest form of tool. The second type of tool maker is an observer, but not a participant in a craft. These tool makers tend to be cloning tools with small changes, or seeing a problem where there might not be one, because they might not truly understand the way makers participate in this task of their craft. This is the weakest form of tool. To say there is not evidence to support contraries in both statements is false, but I would expect these instances to be outliers. These statements also do not dismiss the contributions made by outsiders of a craft, as there is something to be said about observing outside the traditions of a craft. I would even suspect large leaps of innovation in the craft might be made from the application of knowledge and modes of thinking leveraged from other/disparate pursuits." [0] https://www.facebook.com/dpgailey/posts/10102604703490186?pnref=story https://www.facebook.com/dpgailey/posts/10102604703490186?pn... [1] https://baqqer.com/ https://baqqer.com/
- forgetsusername 10y ago>There are ultimately two types of tool makers. Which is why it's so important for young people to go into industry before entrepreneurship. Learn a business, identify the gaps, solve the problems. Thinking you have world-changing insight into industries you've never experienced is hubris at its worst.
- aecing 10y ago>There are ultimately two types of tool makers. i subvert logical fallacy by acknowledging 'the undiscussed third'
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- drumttocs8 10y agoReminds me a bit of Open Source Ecology (http://opensourceecology.org/ http://opensourceecology.org/) and their Global Village Construction Set. Haven't kept up with these guys- not sure on their progress anymore.
- codeulike 10y agoFarming is basically hacking of ecosystems, when you think about it.
- vram22 10y agoThe Whole Earth Catalog might be useful for people interested in these topics. I first read it as a kid. All kinds of very interesting and useful info for gardening, farming, food production, makers [1], living partly off the grid, health, etc. etc. Don't know if they still produce it [2] or if there is anything equivalent these days. Would be interesting to know. [1] e.g. the Japanese saws that I mentioned in one of my recent comments - I read about them in the Whole Earth Catalog. [2] Update: Just googled and found this: http://www.wholeearth.com/about.php http://www.wholeearth.com/about.php
- edblarney 10y agoThis has been going on since the dawn of time. Farmers are the original entrepreneurs, they are all hacking, all the time, sharing their hacks. It's unbelievable how much knowledge most farmers have.
- delegate 10y agoJust read this article and I think it brings a bit more perspective: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-nightmare-farmers/ https://www.wired.com/2015/02/new-high-tech-farm-equipment-n... Open source farming hardware is the right way to do it.
- prawn 10y agoI visited Four Seasons farm last year in Maine. They do a lot of open experimenting and share their ideas. Four I was shown were: - washing machine converted to a large salad spinner - a hand drill with a mop on the end, plus a slicing blade and catching bag (for picking lettuce) - a 12-tine rake to which you'd attach a combination of hose segments specific to the seed row spacing you needed - a green house on rollers so you could start seeds undercover and then move the framework without replanting anything