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Huawei Boss Crashes; News Stories Disappear

164 points by _coldfire 10y ago

jacknews 10y ago
Unfortunately this kind of hit-and-run is quite common in Cambodia. Sometimes there is genuinely no way to find the perp, but a lot of the time, either the police are cowed into not really investigating too hard (when the perp turns out to be the son of a highish ranking government official, or wealthy business family, for example), or there is this kind of attempt to make things go away by paying-off the victims, police and anyone else necessary. I would guess (but you never know) Huawei itself may have little involvement, other than providing the salary required to drive such an ostentatious vehicle, etc, in what is still a poor, developing (though thoroughly corrupt) nation (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/gavinmac/15181532_346572865705576_4809184333924971826_n_zpsx4pyzbzf.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/gavinmac/15181532_346...)
- ams6110 10y ago
  Not saying that a hit and run would get the same treatment, but I've definitely seen underage DUIs and posession arrests "disappear" for the kids of wealthy locals right here in the USA.
  - hood_syntax 10y ago
    Yeah, it's more a matter of degree than nature.
  - cafard 10y ago
    There is something called "probation before judgment". Get a traffic ticket, show up in court looking sufficiently repentant, and the judge will give you a pass on points if you don't get another ticket for six months. I benefited from this in high school, and I have heard of it being used for minor criminal offenses. In any case, for anything but felonies grievous enough to get you tried as an adult, your juvenile record is supposed to be sealed when you turn 21.
- ars 10y ago
  > there is this kind of attempt to make things go away by paying-off the victims, police and anyone else necessary Am I wrong in feeling that there is nothing wrong in making things go away by paying the victims? (Not the police though.) Especially with accidents that are from negligence without mens rea.
  - jacknews 10y ago
    I'm not a lawyer. My view is that you should be able to pay to solve civil issues (my dog pooped on your lawn, etc). But criminal issues are not open to market forces -particularly such an unequal market as Cambodia.
    - _coldfire 10y ago
      >criminal issues are not open to market forces That part irks me the most. He's driving drunk, injured 3 people. After running away paid some compensation, which in Cambodia is likely to be small change. No further action required as far as police are concerned. It's disgusting. Compensation should be part of criminal proceedings rather than void them It's a sad state of affairs. Cambodians are wonderful people, but the corruption and inequality is all pervasive.
      - maerF0x0 10y ago
        Thats why some states will scale the punitive measures to the wealth of the individual. $5000 might be terrible for you and I, but maybe that scales to $50M for a billionaire?
      - jpatokal 10y ago
        Small change by Western (or "Huawei boss") standards, but potentially a large amount of money by local standards -- this is a country where the average income per year is under $1000. But the issue is that, even if this compensation is judged fair (and there's not a whole lot of incentive for the perp to be fair...), without the criminal charge there's effectively no deterrent against this happening again. Incidentally, in Finland most fines (including speeding fines) are computed as units of income. So a millionaire is still incentivized not to speed, because they might get hit with a $100k fine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1759791.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1759791.stm
Ericson2314 10y ago
This is a great example of the Ned for a free and adverbial press. It's also a good example of the need for independently run forums. Sadly both are under assault. Also, I'm sure were this domestic that a returned-to-China Facebook would do the same thing.
chmod775 10y ago
Someone is going to get some first-hand experience with the Streisand effect [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- ajeet_dhaliwal 10y ago
  Right. Like the dumb criminal who says "I didn't steal these shoes" when a policeman walks by in silence.
- ncdr 10y ago
  noaah... more like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale
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ncdr 10y ago
Bad PR is never bad PR ...
tmptmp 10y ago
This incidence underscores the importance of the Internet (neutral) and social media that is not a walled garden totally. Reddit, Telegram, Signal (HN to a lesser extent, due to its less popularity amongst general public) are good mechanisms to spread news which the mainstream media chooses to suppress due to reasons like corruption, pressure, political correctness. In US also the mainstream media mainly sold out to Saudi money, tends to suppress news critical of Islam and the pseudo-liberal practice of intimidating any critique of the oppressive ideology of Islam in the name of racism, islamophobia and what-not. If not for the Internet and social media, the ex-Muslims' voice would not been suppressed by the corrupt mainstream media. [1] [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDIR3GhXszo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDIR3GhXszo [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/ https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/
jimjimjim 10y ago
This sort of thing happens a lot in the world. With the internet people may think that all countries are the same but just with different languages and food but every country is really different. my opinion on this story: some rich wanker tries to make problems go away with money and intimidation, not unusual. The worry is that there needs to be recognition and kudos for news sources that don't cave in.
PeterStuer 10y ago
In Belgium, a EU country, we even have a law that allows criminals to buy off their trial. It is highly controversial and recently it was exposed that the law was designer made to allow a caught Uzbek businessman to buy his way out of a tax-evasion conviction. It has even been used to buy of convictions of corruption. (Link in Dutch https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnelijke_schikking https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnelijke_schikking )
- hayksaakian 10y ago
  this sounds like how typical plea bargains or out of court settlements work in the usa i'm not too familiar with the details of either laws but maybe someone more knowledgable can chime in here
  - PeterStuer 10y ago
    I'm not too familiar with the US justice system, but I do not think it is like either of these. In the Belgium case, there is no plea as it will be as if the case never happened. Nothing goes on your record afterwards. Unlike a settlement, in the Belgium case this can occur after trial and sentencing. You just buy of your sentence, and everything is erased. There are limitations as to the types of sentences to which this can apply (I think 2 years imprisonment was the max.), but it was a grey area often skirted. The law is now on hold as of this summer after being in operation since 2012, but politicians think it can be 'rescued' with some more clarifications and some more transparency.
    - denzil_correa 10y ago
      Plea bargain is one where you accept a lesser criminal sentence if you choose not to go for a trial - it is not a settlement but a deal. In the case of this Belgium law, it seems you can settle a criminal sentence (T^C apply). In US terms, it seems this law allows settling of criminal misdemeanors (roughly). From what I understand, only a part of the law is unconstitutional. This is the part where the public prosecutor has a choice to decide whom he will provide a settlement to. In other words, the option for settlement should exist with everyone equally. This itself seems a quagmire now because it essentially says that only people with enough money can have such a settlement.
50CNT 10y ago
This isn't uncommon in China either. A friend of mine was riding with a relatively well connected Chinese lady, when she pointed at a man on the side of the road and said: "I could hit that guy and get away with it, would probably cost me 100k". That a Huawei boss could get away with it in Cambodia doesn't come as much of a shock.
- revelation 10y ago
  Well its free in the US, just wait for the guy to enter a crosswalk and mow him over. "I was blinded by the sun" "He darted into the road"
  - justin66 10y ago
    Unless your blood alcohol content is up above the legal limit, in which case it doesn't matter whether he suicidally jumped in front of your car...
    - revelation 10y ago
      In this case you want to flee the scene and sober up, less penalty.
- nathan_f77 10y ago
  Sounds a little bit like "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."

164 points by _coldfire 10y ago

Unfortunately this kind of hit-and-run is quite common in Cambodia. Sometimes there is genuinely no way to find the perp, but a lot of the time, either the police are cowed into not really investigating too hard (when the perp turns out to be the son of a highish ranking government official, or wealthy business family, for example), or there is this kind of attempt to make things go away by paying-off the victims, police and anyone else necessary. I would guess (but you never know) Huawei itself may have little involvement, other than providing the salary required to drive such an ostentatious vehicle, etc, in what is still a poor, developing (though thoroughly corrupt) nation (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/gavinmac/15181532_346572865705576_4809184333924971826_n_zpsx4pyzbzf.jpg http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f135/gavinmac/15181532_346...)

ams6110 10y ago
Not saying that a hit and run would get the same treatment, but I've definitely seen underage DUIs and posession arrests "disappear" for the kids of wealthy locals right here in the USA.
- hood_syntax 10y ago
  Yeah, it's more a matter of degree than nature.
- cafard 10y ago
  There is something called "probation before judgment". Get a traffic ticket, show up in court looking sufficiently repentant, and the judge will give you a pass on points if you don't get another ticket for six months. I benefited from this in high school, and I have heard of it being used for minor criminal offenses. In any case, for anything but felonies grievous enough to get you tried as an adult, your juvenile record is supposed to be sealed when you turn 21.
ars 10y ago
> there is this kind of attempt to make things go away by paying-off the victims, police and anyone else necessary Am I wrong in feeling that there is nothing wrong in making things go away by paying the victims? (Not the police though.) Especially with accidents that are from negligence without mens rea.
- jacknews 10y ago
  I'm not a lawyer. My view is that you should be able to pay to solve civil issues (my dog pooped on your lawn, etc). But criminal issues are not open to market forces -particularly such an unequal market as Cambodia.
  - _coldfire 10y ago
    >criminal issues are not open to market forces That part irks me the most. He's driving drunk, injured 3 people. After running away paid some compensation, which in Cambodia is likely to be small change. No further action required as far as police are concerned. It's disgusting. Compensation should be part of criminal proceedings rather than void them It's a sad state of affairs. Cambodians are wonderful people, but the corruption and inequality is all pervasive.
    - maerF0x0 10y ago
      Thats why some states will scale the punitive measures to the wealth of the individual. $5000 might be terrible for you and I, but maybe that scales to $50M for a billionaire?
    - jpatokal 10y ago
      Small change by Western (or "Huawei boss") standards, but potentially a large amount of money by local standards -- this is a country where the average income per year is under $1000. But the issue is that, even if this compensation is judged fair (and there's not a whole lot of incentive for the perp to be fair...), without the criminal charge there's effectively no deterrent against this happening again. Incidentally, in Finland most fines (including speeding fines) are computed as units of income. So a millionaire is still incentivized not to speed, because they might get hit with a $100k fine: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1759791.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1759791.stm

Ericson2314 10y ago

This is a great example of the Ned for a free and adverbial press. It's also a good example of the need for independently run forums. Sadly both are under assault. Also, I'm sure were this domestic that a returned-to-China Facebook would do the same thing.

chmod775 10y ago

Someone is going to get some first-hand experience with the Streisand effect [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

ajeet_dhaliwal 10y ago
Right. Like the dumb criminal who says "I didn't steal these shoes" when a policeman walks by in silence.
ncdr 10y ago
noaah... more like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succ%C3%A8s_de_scandale

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ncdr 10y ago

Bad PR is never bad PR ...

tmptmp 10y ago

This incidence underscores the importance of the Internet (neutral) and social media that is not a walled garden totally. Reddit, Telegram, Signal (HN to a lesser extent, due to its less popularity amongst general public) are good mechanisms to spread news which the mainstream media chooses to suppress due to reasons like corruption, pressure, political correctness. In US also the mainstream media mainly sold out to Saudi money, tends to suppress news critical of Islam and the pseudo-liberal practice of intimidating any critique of the oppressive ideology of Islam in the name of racism, islamophobia and what-not. If not for the Internet and social media, the ex-Muslims' voice would not been suppressed by the corrupt mainstream media. [1] [2] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDIR3GhXszo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDIR3GhXszo [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/ https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/

jimjimjim 10y ago

This sort of thing happens a lot in the world. With the internet people may think that all countries are the same but just with different languages and food but every country is really different. my opinion on this story: some rich wanker tries to make problems go away with money and intimidation, not unusual. The worry is that there needs to be recognition and kudos for news sources that don't cave in.

PeterStuer 10y ago

In Belgium, a EU country, we even have a law that allows criminals to buy off their trial. It is highly controversial and recently it was exposed that the law was designer made to allow a caught Uzbek businessman to buy his way out of a tax-evasion conviction. It has even been used to buy of convictions of corruption. (Link in Dutch https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnelijke_schikking https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnelijke_schikking )

hayksaakian 10y ago
this sounds like how typical plea bargains or out of court settlements work in the usa i'm not too familiar with the details of either laws but maybe someone more knowledgable can chime in here
- PeterStuer 10y ago
  I'm not too familiar with the US justice system, but I do not think it is like either of these. In the Belgium case, there is no plea as it will be as if the case never happened. Nothing goes on your record afterwards. Unlike a settlement, in the Belgium case this can occur after trial and sentencing. You just buy of your sentence, and everything is erased. There are limitations as to the types of sentences to which this can apply (I think 2 years imprisonment was the max.), but it was a grey area often skirted. The law is now on hold as of this summer after being in operation since 2012, but politicians think it can be 'rescued' with some more clarifications and some more transparency.
  - denzil_correa 10y ago
    Plea bargain is one where you accept a lesser criminal sentence if you choose not to go for a trial - it is not a settlement but a deal. In the case of this Belgium law, it seems you can settle a criminal sentence (T^C apply). In US terms, it seems this law allows settling of criminal misdemeanors (roughly). From what I understand, only a part of the law is unconstitutional. This is the part where the public prosecutor has a choice to decide whom he will provide a settlement to. In other words, the option for settlement should exist with everyone equally. This itself seems a quagmire now because it essentially says that only people with enough money can have such a settlement.

50CNT 10y ago

This isn't uncommon in China either. A friend of mine was riding with a relatively well connected Chinese lady, when she pointed at a man on the side of the road and said: "I could hit that guy and get away with it, would probably cost me 100k". That a Huawei boss could get away with it in Cambodia doesn't come as much of a shock.

revelation 10y ago
Well its free in the US, just wait for the guy to enter a crosswalk and mow him over. "I was blinded by the sun" "He darted into the road"
- justin66 10y ago
  Unless your blood alcohol content is up above the legal limit, in which case it doesn't matter whether he suicidally jumped in front of your car...
  - revelation 10y ago
    In this case you want to flee the scene and sober up, less penalty.
nathan_f77 10y ago
Sounds a little bit like "I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."