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No doubt the injuries are horrifying, but so are fireworks-related burns and gunshot wounds. It's hard to imagine a world where neodymium magnets should be mor

No doubt the injuries are horrifying, but so are fireworks-related burns and gunshot wounds. It's hard to imagine a world where neodymium magnets should be more regulated than fireworks and firearms, but that's the world we lived in before the 10th circuit vacated the CPSC's regulatory overreach.

DanBC 10y ago
We don't sell fireworks nor guns to children. (At least, in the UK we don't). The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  On the contrary, Buckyballs was never marketed to children, and had clear warnings all over them. They were still pushed into closure by the CPSC. Even after they were clearly marked "Keep Away From All Children". If we can't sell things to adults because they're dangerous to children, we might as well close... well, all hardware stores.
  - clarkevans 10y ago
    Hardware stores have mostly uninteresting tools -- Buckyballs are toys.
    - zardo 10y ago
      >Hardware stores have mostly uninteresting tools My nephews don't think tools or random bits of hardware are uninteresting. I certainly didn't either. If you're of a mind to play, the world is nothing but toys.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        Some adults will let their children use power tools. They'll make sure there's the discussion about safety, they'll do a bit of supervision. They'll hopefully include safety glasses. Everyone knows a drill is dangerous. No-one just hands a hammer drill to a six year old and leaves them to it. The regulator's point about the magnets is that the manufacturers didn't manage to stop them being sold in toy shops to children, and that even with the warnings parents were giving them to children as toys. And, even compared to random bits of hardware store: if you swallow a nail you're probably going to be ok. If you swallow magnets you're probably going to need medical help.
        dpark 10y ago
        > if you swallow a nail you're probably going to be ok. As long as you're okay with sepsis from a perforated intestine, then sure.
        DanBC 10y ago
        No, in most cases the child is going to be fine. This is exactly the point - swallowing a nail is a bad idea but is unlikely to cause significant harm. Swallowing a magnet doesn't look as bad as swallowing a nail (the magnets are smooth and shiny, sometimes round, and very small), but the consequences are usually worse.
        dpark 10y ago
        I'm not sure I believe that. Depending on the size of the nail and how sharp it is, it could pass through, but could also puncture something along the way or get lodged. If a child swallows anything larger than a dime, the standard recommendation is to seek medical attention.
    - anigbrowl 10y ago
      Complete nonsense. Most small boys (and some girls) are fascinated by tools, that's why there are play tools in toy stores so kids can pretend to be a construction worker or suchlike. Conversely I enjoy playing with magnets but I also find them useful for visualizing complex problems and as artistic tools for texturing paint. Maybe you didn't find physical tools interesting as a child but it's fallacious to assume that no other children do when there's abundant evidence to the contrary.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > Buckyballs was never marketed to children, The first warning label on Buckyballs said 13+. Anyone under 18 is a child.
    - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
      By most conventional definitions, 13+ is a teen. Apparently, in 2010, Congress extended the definition of "child" up to age 14[0], and the CPSC started their complaint on that one year differential. And Buckyballs, for example, changed their notice then to "Keep Away From All Children" and agreed not to sell them at stores like Toys R Us. Two years later from them voluntarily making those changes, the CPSC sued them and sequentially drove them out of business. The facts fall staunchly in opposition to your comments suggesting that they were resistant to applying warning labels, and actively trying to market them to children. This is why all of your comments stating such are downvoted into the grey. One of your other comments claims all the CPSC wanted was warnings, but the reality is that the CPSC worked to drive these companies out of business after all of the warnings were present. [0] http://gizmodo.com/how-buckyballs-fell-apart-1609183224 http://gizmodo.com/how-buckyballs-fell-apart-1609183224
- jemfinch 10y ago
  > The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children. That's categorically false.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    > That's categorically false. No it's not. This submission is about one company resisting the regulatory action created when buckyballs continued to sell the product to 14 year olds, even though they knew teenagers were among the > 1000 children hospitalised by these magnets.
    - jontas 10y ago
      Do you have anything to back up this claim? I worked intimately with these companies and saw nothing of the sort.
    - burfog 10y ago
      There are places, not just in the 3rd world, where a 14-year-old can get married or drive a vehicle or have a gun. These are not children.
    - anigbrowl 10y ago
      Dan you're being wildly untruthful here. Buckyballs were sold with very clear warnings and it is not their fault if people ignore those warnings. Are you really trying to argue that a 14 year old is so overcome by the overwhelming desire to experience magnetic forces that s/he is unable to read a warning label, and the only sensible course of action is to halt all sales of the product? Come off it.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        This submission is not about buckyballs, but buckyballs and zenmagnets worked hard to resist the efforts of the regulators. The warnings you talk about on buckyballs did not say "adults only", they said "13+". It is dishonest to suggest that buckyballs didn't sell to children and to say that buckyballs included warnings about not selling to children when the warnings said 13+. > Are you really trying to argue that a 14 year old is so overcome by the overwhelming desire to experience magnetic forces that s/he is unable to read a warning label That's what happened, yes. Children are by definition fucking idiots. That's why we don't let them drive; drink alcohol; vote; run for office; enter into contracts; join the military; live by themselves; get married; have sex; etc. >, and the only sensible course of action is to halt all sales of the product? Come off it. I'm saying we tried warning labels. Parents and children and toy stores ignored those warnings, and children ended up hospitalised as a result. The manufacturers resisted attempts to strengthen the warnings; regulators were forced into issuing a ban because soft-touch regulation failed. The manufacturers brought this upon themselves by not controlling their supply chain properly and by resisting better clearer warnings.
- mibbiting 10y ago
  I bought some years ago, and had fun playing with them with my children. If you need a warning saying that eating a magnet is dangerous, you're not very clever. And if your child (Lets say over the age of 3) is still eating random non-food items without checking with you, then you're not doing a great parenting job. Don't you think the whole "put a warning sticker on everything" is getting a bit ridiculous?
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    I believe that most people would probably assume that it's similar to eating a coin or other small piece of non-sharp metal -- it's not good, but it's generally not potentially life-threatening. If you spend a little bit of time thinking about how strong magnets can probably attract each other through internal tissue, the risk makes sense, but it doesn't seem like something that's obvious, at least not to me. This is one circumstance where awareness/warning labels are really useful, but unfortunately we hear so many frivolous warnings people are not likely to take them seriously. Everyone should know that these contraptions were literally banned at one point for the risk they pose to children, and the disclaimers encountered are not just generic CYA, but representative of a real risk to small children that has a real body count. Like the GP, I'm glad that these are legal in the United States again, but we should not take the issue of informing parents of the risk involved with these toy-like objects lightly. A similar issue is being posed by the small watch batteries included in many children's toys and remote controls these days. Children swallow these and they burn holes in their organs that result in serious disabilities. It's important that parents be aware of such non-obvious environmental dangers.
    - cmiles74 10y ago
      Small watch batteries are an interesting example, I don't recall seeing any warning stickers on these toys or their packaging. Perhaps something is buried in the back of an instruction manual, but that would be obviously ineffective.
      - mibbiting 10y ago
- CapitalistCartr 10y ago
  I bought some. They were clearly labeled and clearly not marketed to children. I don't know where you're getting your magnets; perhaps a boot sale?
  - DanBC 10y ago
    The reason you bought yours with a warning label on and not as a toy for children is because the regulators forced that to happen.
    - snowwrestler 10y ago
      Not many people are going to object to that type of regulatory intervention. Labels are fine. It was the outright ban that pissed people off.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        But the labels failed; the restriction of sales failed; and some of the companies were resisting better labelling and tighter controls over sales. This was the first court case CPSC took in 13 years to force a recall. That doesn't sound like an out of control regulator.
    - zeveb 10y ago
      And American regulators tried to ban importation altogether. That's what this story is about. Regulators & regulations aren't an unmitigated good. They can be better than their lack, or they can be worse.
    - CapitalistCartr 10y ago
      Which the customers, nanufacturers, and retailers all support. Its the regulators who object, claiming only banning is acceptable.
- tn13 10y ago
  Magnet companies do not benefit when a child dies. On the contrary it can put all their business at total risk. Magnet companies are more likely to care about their customers than government caring about my child. > We don't sell fireworks nor guns to children. UK is not a good example because they dont even sell hardware tools to kids. That is simply wussyfication of the society.
  - matt4077 10y ago
    > On the contrary it can put all their business at total risk. ...mostly by regulation, right? I mean – we can all hope that all parent read about all accidents that kill people and then independently come to the smart conclusion, including a level-headed appreciation of the risk, normalized within the background context and the market penetration of ultra-strong magnets... or – better idea – let's put some smart people in a room and let them make a recommendation. There's even a staunchly capitalistic argument for regulation: it's the only reason we trust food from a supermarket we've never visited before, or a new toy, or an online bank, or a really fast looking electric car from California made by this guy who mostly deals in explosions controlled by 400,000 mechanical parts all supplied by the lowest bidder. In other words: Regulation creates the trust that's essential for any economic activity.
    - tn13 10y ago
      > ...mostly by regulation, right? Mostly by bad reviews, lawsuites and bad PR. One good example of this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide While everyone thinks that it was an evil pharma that should have stopped by regulators it appears that the pharma company lost billions but saved by regulators instead. >we can all hope that all parent read about all accidents that kill people and then independently come to the smart conclusion Neither parent not bureaucrats can do that 100% correctly. Parents can do it infinitely better that the people in washington. Babies will die no matter what. > let's put some smart people in a room and let them make a recommendation. Like smart people deciding on housing loans, student loans, cheaper healthcare, invasion of Iraq ? It eventually snowballs into a giant problem that makes the original problem far less worse. Smart people do not possess the intelligence or information to make decisions for others.
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children. This is just not true. I bought a lot of Buckyballs (a brand of magnet) before they were taken off sale and they had very clear and prominent warnings on them which I read and took seriously because I am an adult. Neither I nor the manufacturer are responsible for people who won't do that. Now maybe you can cite a manufacturer in the UK who showed disregard for such regulation, but we're talking about a regulatory body in the US which insisted on taking products off sale even though the manufacturers were fully compliant with the regulatory demands. Please stick within the factual context.
slg 10y ago
Those examples are obviously dangerous while magnets are not. A parent is going to leave their 2 year old playing with a loaded gun, but they might leave them to play with a bunch of magnets without realizing the danger.
- jessriedel 10y ago
  That's what warning labels are for. A policy of banning any product for which the general public isn't fully informed of the dangers is a policy which prevents the public from becoming aware of dangers and mitigating them. ("A week ago there was no acceptable warning, no acceptable age, no sales restriction nor waiver that allowed production of magnets like Zen Magnets, Buckyballs, Neoballs, Magnicube or Neocubes.") Also, there are no warning labels on balloons, much less are they banned, but, as the OP points out, balloons are the #1 cause of child suffocation. It's clear here that these rules aren't being made based on any sensible cost-benefit regulatory consideration, they are just putting unnecessary burdens on new products and grandfathering in the old ones because this is the path of least blame/resistance.
  - evan_ 10y ago
    There actually are warning labels on balloons, plastic bags, and the like warning of suffocation/choking hazard.
    - jessriedel 10y ago
      Sorry, yes, I should have said "Warning labels aren't mandated for balloons...". For instance, the first result for "balloons" on amazon doesn't show any warning labels on the exterior package or the front of the interior bag. https://smile.amazon.com/Kings-Deal-10color-Latex-Balloons/dp/B00KJHCU2U https://smile.amazon.com/Kings-Deal-10color-Latex-Balloons/d... (Maybe it's in small type on the back?) EDIT: Was able to find this PDF, which says that latex balloons must be labeled if they are intended for children under 12. But presumably nothing is required if intended for adults. http://mohawkglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/labeling-childrens-products.pdf http://mohawkglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/labeling-...
Pica_soO 10y ago
You dont see the wound. Your kid has tummy ache. Then a slight fever. Then a strong fever. Then a whole body inflammation and exitus-experience. Parents can be quite ignorant of this. I had a broken appendix as kid, and was already drifting out of the world, when my parents finally decided to get a doctor. Interior wounds are not visible until it is over. Still magnets are awesome.
- ar0b 10y ago
  I wonder how an MRI would turn out in this scenario.
  - ars 10y ago
    An MRI would pull the magnet through the body. That would make quite the horrible wound. But no doctor would order an MRI first, physical examination then one or two X rays first would be standard.

DanBC 10y ago

We don't sell fireworks nor guns to children. (At least, in the UK we don't). The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
On the contrary, Buckyballs was never marketed to children, and had clear warnings all over them. They were still pushed into closure by the CPSC. Even after they were clearly marked "Keep Away From All Children". If we can't sell things to adults because they're dangerous to children, we might as well close... well, all hardware stores.
- clarkevans 10y ago
  Hardware stores have mostly uninteresting tools -- Buckyballs are toys.
  - zardo 10y ago
    >Hardware stores have mostly uninteresting tools My nephews don't think tools or random bits of hardware are uninteresting. I certainly didn't either. If you're of a mind to play, the world is nothing but toys.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      Some adults will let their children use power tools. They'll make sure there's the discussion about safety, they'll do a bit of supervision. They'll hopefully include safety glasses. Everyone knows a drill is dangerous. No-one just hands a hammer drill to a six year old and leaves them to it. The regulator's point about the magnets is that the manufacturers didn't manage to stop them being sold in toy shops to children, and that even with the warnings parents were giving them to children as toys. And, even compared to random bits of hardware store: if you swallow a nail you're probably going to be ok. If you swallow magnets you're probably going to need medical help.
      - dpark 10y ago
        > if you swallow a nail you're probably going to be ok. As long as you're okay with sepsis from a perforated intestine, then sure.
        DanBC 10y ago
        No, in most cases the child is going to be fine. This is exactly the point - swallowing a nail is a bad idea but is unlikely to cause significant harm. Swallowing a magnet doesn't look as bad as swallowing a nail (the magnets are smooth and shiny, sometimes round, and very small), but the consequences are usually worse.
        dpark 10y ago
        I'm not sure I believe that. Depending on the size of the nail and how sharp it is, it could pass through, but could also puncture something along the way or get lodged. If a child swallows anything larger than a dime, the standard recommendation is to seek medical attention.
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    Complete nonsense. Most small boys (and some girls) are fascinated by tools, that's why there are play tools in toy stores so kids can pretend to be a construction worker or suchlike. Conversely I enjoy playing with magnets but I also find them useful for visualizing complex problems and as artistic tools for texturing paint. Maybe you didn't find physical tools interesting as a child but it's fallacious to assume that no other children do when there's abundant evidence to the contrary.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > Buckyballs was never marketed to children, The first warning label on Buckyballs said 13+. Anyone under 18 is a child.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    By most conventional definitions, 13+ is a teen. Apparently, in 2010, Congress extended the definition of "child" up to age 14[0], and the CPSC started their complaint on that one year differential. And Buckyballs, for example, changed their notice then to "Keep Away From All Children" and agreed not to sell them at stores like Toys R Us. Two years later from them voluntarily making those changes, the CPSC sued them and sequentially drove them out of business. The facts fall staunchly in opposition to your comments suggesting that they were resistant to applying warning labels, and actively trying to market them to children. This is why all of your comments stating such are downvoted into the grey. One of your other comments claims all the CPSC wanted was warnings, but the reality is that the CPSC worked to drive these companies out of business after all of the warnings were present. [0] http://gizmodo.com/how-buckyballs-fell-apart-1609183224 http://gizmodo.com/how-buckyballs-fell-apart-1609183224
jemfinch 10y ago
> The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children. That's categorically false.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > That's categorically false. No it's not. This submission is about one company resisting the regulatory action created when buckyballs continued to sell the product to 14 year olds, even though they knew teenagers were among the > 1000 children hospitalised by these magnets.
  - jontas 10y ago
    Do you have anything to back up this claim? I worked intimately with these companies and saw nothing of the sort.
  - burfog 10y ago
    There are places, not just in the 3rd world, where a 14-year-old can get married or drive a vehicle or have a gun. These are not children.
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    Dan you're being wildly untruthful here. Buckyballs were sold with very clear warnings and it is not their fault if people ignore those warnings. Are you really trying to argue that a 14 year old is so overcome by the overwhelming desire to experience magnetic forces that s/he is unable to read a warning label, and the only sensible course of action is to halt all sales of the product? Come off it.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      This submission is not about buckyballs, but buckyballs and zenmagnets worked hard to resist the efforts of the regulators. The warnings you talk about on buckyballs did not say "adults only", they said "13+". It is dishonest to suggest that buckyballs didn't sell to children and to say that buckyballs included warnings about not selling to children when the warnings said 13+. > Are you really trying to argue that a 14 year old is so overcome by the overwhelming desire to experience magnetic forces that s/he is unable to read a warning label That's what happened, yes. Children are by definition fucking idiots. That's why we don't let them drive; drink alcohol; vote; run for office; enter into contracts; join the military; live by themselves; get married; have sex; etc. >, and the only sensible course of action is to halt all sales of the product? Come off it. I'm saying we tried warning labels. Parents and children and toy stores ignored those warnings, and children ended up hospitalised as a result. The manufacturers resisted attempts to strengthen the warnings; regulators were forced into issuing a ban because soft-touch regulation failed. The manufacturers brought this upon themselves by not controlling their supply chain properly and by resisting better clearer warnings.
mibbiting 10y ago
I bought some years ago, and had fun playing with them with my children. If you need a warning saying that eating a magnet is dangerous, you're not very clever. And if your child (Lets say over the age of 3) is still eating random non-food items without checking with you, then you're not doing a great parenting job. Don't you think the whole "put a warning sticker on everything" is getting a bit ridiculous?
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  I believe that most people would probably assume that it's similar to eating a coin or other small piece of non-sharp metal -- it's not good, but it's generally not potentially life-threatening. If you spend a little bit of time thinking about how strong magnets can probably attract each other through internal tissue, the risk makes sense, but it doesn't seem like something that's obvious, at least not to me. This is one circumstance where awareness/warning labels are really useful, but unfortunately we hear so many frivolous warnings people are not likely to take them seriously. Everyone should know that these contraptions were literally banned at one point for the risk they pose to children, and the disclaimers encountered are not just generic CYA, but representative of a real risk to small children that has a real body count. Like the GP, I'm glad that these are legal in the United States again, but we should not take the issue of informing parents of the risk involved with these toy-like objects lightly. A similar issue is being posed by the small watch batteries included in many children's toys and remote controls these days. Children swallow these and they burn holes in their organs that result in serious disabilities. It's important that parents be aware of such non-obvious environmental dangers.
  - cmiles74 10y ago
    Small watch batteries are an interesting example, I don't recall seeing any warning stickers on these toys or their packaging. Perhaps something is buried in the back of an instruction manual, but that would be obviously ineffective.
    - mibbiting 10y ago
CapitalistCartr 10y ago
I bought some. They were clearly labeled and clearly not marketed to children. I don't know where you're getting your magnets; perhaps a boot sale?
- DanBC 10y ago
  The reason you bought yours with a warning label on and not as a toy for children is because the regulators forced that to happen.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    Not many people are going to object to that type of regulatory intervention. Labels are fine. It was the outright ban that pissed people off.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      But the labels failed; the restriction of sales failed; and some of the companies were resisting better labelling and tighter controls over sales. This was the first court case CPSC took in 13 years to force a recall. That doesn't sound like an out of control regulator.
  - zeveb 10y ago
    And American regulators tried to ban importation altogether. That's what this story is about. Regulators & regulations aren't an unmitigated good. They can be better than their lack, or they can be worse.
  - CapitalistCartr 10y ago
    Which the customers, nanufacturers, and retailers all support. Its the regulators who object, claiming only banning is acceptable.
tn13 10y ago
Magnet companies do not benefit when a child dies. On the contrary it can put all their business at total risk. Magnet companies are more likely to care about their customers than government caring about my child. > We don't sell fireworks nor guns to children. UK is not a good example because they dont even sell hardware tools to kids. That is simply wussyfication of the society.
- matt4077 10y ago
  > On the contrary it can put all their business at total risk. ...mostly by regulation, right? I mean – we can all hope that all parent read about all accidents that kill people and then independently come to the smart conclusion, including a level-headed appreciation of the risk, normalized within the background context and the market penetration of ultra-strong magnets... or – better idea – let's put some smart people in a room and let them make a recommendation. There's even a staunchly capitalistic argument for regulation: it's the only reason we trust food from a supermarket we've never visited before, or a new toy, or an online bank, or a really fast looking electric car from California made by this guy who mostly deals in explosions controlled by 400,000 mechanical parts all supplied by the lowest bidder. In other words: Regulation creates the trust that's essential for any economic activity.
  - tn13 10y ago
    > ...mostly by regulation, right? Mostly by bad reviews, lawsuites and bad PR. One good example of this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide While everyone thinks that it was an evil pharma that should have stopped by regulators it appears that the pharma company lost billions but saved by regulators instead. >we can all hope that all parent read about all accidents that kill people and then independently come to the smart conclusion Neither parent not bureaucrats can do that 100% correctly. Parents can do it infinitely better that the people in washington. Babies will die no matter what. > let's put some smart people in a room and let them make a recommendation. Like smart people deciding on housing loans, student loans, cheaper healthcare, invasion of Iraq ? It eventually snowballs into a giant problem that makes the original problem far less worse. Smart people do not possess the intelligence or information to make decisions for others.
anigbrowl 10y ago
The magnet companies sold these items as a toy to children and resisted efforts to put warnings on them and resisted efforts to stop them being sold to children. This is just not true. I bought a lot of Buckyballs (a brand of magnet) before they were taken off sale and they had very clear and prominent warnings on them which I read and took seriously because I am an adult. Neither I nor the manufacturer are responsible for people who won't do that. Now maybe you can cite a manufacturer in the UK who showed disregard for such regulation, but we're talking about a regulatory body in the US which insisted on taking products off sale even though the manufacturers were fully compliant with the regulatory demands. Please stick within the factual context.

slg 10y ago

Those examples are obviously dangerous while magnets are not. A parent is going to leave their 2 year old playing with a loaded gun, but they might leave them to play with a bunch of magnets without realizing the danger.

jessriedel 10y ago
That's what warning labels are for. A policy of banning any product for which the general public isn't fully informed of the dangers is a policy which prevents the public from becoming aware of dangers and mitigating them. ("A week ago there was no acceptable warning, no acceptable age, no sales restriction nor waiver that allowed production of magnets like Zen Magnets, Buckyballs, Neoballs, Magnicube or Neocubes.") Also, there are no warning labels on balloons, much less are they banned, but, as the OP points out, balloons are the #1 cause of child suffocation. It's clear here that these rules aren't being made based on any sensible cost-benefit regulatory consideration, they are just putting unnecessary burdens on new products and grandfathering in the old ones because this is the path of least blame/resistance.
- evan_ 10y ago
  There actually are warning labels on balloons, plastic bags, and the like warning of suffocation/choking hazard.
  - jessriedel 10y ago
    Sorry, yes, I should have said "Warning labels aren't mandated for balloons...". For instance, the first result for "balloons" on amazon doesn't show any warning labels on the exterior package or the front of the interior bag. https://smile.amazon.com/Kings-Deal-10color-Latex-Balloons/dp/B00KJHCU2U https://smile.amazon.com/Kings-Deal-10color-Latex-Balloons/d... (Maybe it's in small type on the back?) EDIT: Was able to find this PDF, which says that latex balloons must be labeled if they are intended for children under 12. But presumably nothing is required if intended for adults. http://mohawkglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/labeling-childrens-products.pdf http://mohawkglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/labeling-...

Pica_soO 10y ago

You dont see the wound. Your kid has tummy ache. Then a slight fever. Then a strong fever. Then a whole body inflammation and exitus-experience. Parents can be quite ignorant of this. I had a broken appendix as kid, and was already drifting out of the world, when my parents finally decided to get a doctor. Interior wounds are not visible until it is over. Still magnets are awesome.

ar0b 10y ago
I wonder how an MRI would turn out in this scenario.
- ars 10y ago
  An MRI would pull the magnet through the body. That would make quite the horrible wound. But no doctor would order an MRI first, physical examination then one or two X rays first would be standard.