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That will not prevent batteries spontaneously combusting. Replaceable batteries will only address the pain of safety recalls and increase the risk of fires due

That will not prevent batteries spontaneously combusting. Replaceable batteries will only address the pain of safety recalls and increase the risk of fires due to consumers choosing to buy cheaper off-brand batteries.

Slackwise 10y ago
You are correct on both accounts, but I still think it's an overall safety benefit in the case of a recall. Portable dongle batteries have the same potential problems, so it's shifting the danger from one location to another. My statement, though, is not entirely to address just safety, but also planned obsolescence, and consumer convenience. I've always carried a spare battery since even my HTC WinMo "smartphone" days. Same with my PowerBook.
nradov 10y ago
Actually removable batteries should be less likely to spontaneously combust. Most battery failures seem to be caused by short circuits due to compression or flexing. Removable batteries are mechanically stronger because they have integral cases instead of just relying on the device casing for protection. Personally I would never buy a cell phone with a built in battery. I always have spare batteries for my phones and frequently swap them out. It sure beats being tied to a charger, or plugging an external battery to an awkward and fragile USB connector.
- gruturo 10y ago
  You state absolutely valid facts, but removable batteries carry one huge additional risk: You can now go purchase a no-name cheap explosion-prone chinese one, which your phone manufacturer (barring recent incidents) most likely would have protected you from, with their QA. Granted, you can do that anyway today if you go to an unauthorized shop for a replacement, or even get it yourself via Amazon/Ebay & co., but the general availability of shitty batteries for retail purchase would increase the size of the problem by an order of magnitude.
  - kbart 10y ago
    You can still purchase and connect "shitty batteries" (aka power banks) to your phone's USB plug with, potentially, same consequences. The only difference is that responsibility using external batteries shifts from a phone manufacturer to the user. I'm yet to see valid pro irremovable battery arguments from the perspective of a user, not manufacturer.
    - gruturo 10y ago
      Actually I had completely forgotten about battery packs. Point taken, absolutely. Hopefully the crappy ones are simply overstating their capacity instead of actually trying to reach it within volume/safety constraints (and cutting corners to do so), so they won't be as explosion prone - but indeed, valid point.

Slackwise 10y ago

You are correct on both accounts, but I still think it's an overall safety benefit in the case of a recall. Portable dongle batteries have the same potential problems, so it's shifting the danger from one location to another. My statement, though, is not entirely to address just safety, but also planned obsolescence, and consumer convenience. I've always carried a spare battery since even my HTC WinMo "smartphone" days. Same with my PowerBook.

nradov 10y ago

Actually removable batteries should be less likely to spontaneously combust. Most battery failures seem to be caused by short circuits due to compression or flexing. Removable batteries are mechanically stronger because they have integral cases instead of just relying on the device casing for protection. Personally I would never buy a cell phone with a built in battery. I always have spare batteries for my phones and frequently swap them out. It sure beats being tied to a charger, or plugging an external battery to an awkward and fragile USB connector.

gruturo 10y ago
You state absolutely valid facts, but removable batteries carry one huge additional risk: You can now go purchase a no-name cheap explosion-prone chinese one, which your phone manufacturer (barring recent incidents) most likely would have protected you from, with their QA. Granted, you can do that anyway today if you go to an unauthorized shop for a replacement, or even get it yourself via Amazon/Ebay & co., but the general availability of shitty batteries for retail purchase would increase the size of the problem by an order of magnitude.
- kbart 10y ago
  You can still purchase and connect "shitty batteries" (aka power banks) to your phone's USB plug with, potentially, same consequences. The only difference is that responsibility using external batteries shifts from a phone manufacturer to the user. I'm yet to see valid pro irremovable battery arguments from the perspective of a user, not manufacturer.
  - gruturo 10y ago
    Actually I had completely forgotten about battery packs. Point taken, absolutely. Hopefully the crappy ones are simply overstating their capacity instead of actually trying to reach it within volume/safety constraints (and cutting corners to do so), so they won't be as explosion prone - but indeed, valid point.