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You don't believe morality exists, or is that a fancy way of saying "I don't have morals?" Because the welfare and healthcare system you are looking forward to

by euyyn 10y ago

You don't believe morality exists, or is that a fancy way of saying "I don't have morals?" Because the welfare and healthcare system you are looking forward to live off exists only because of morals.

jokoon 10y ago
I don't think they exist because of morals. If you want a country that is thriving, lower classes should have a good living standard. The lower class is the basis of any country. Even if you have very smart people at the top, they can't do a lot if the people under them can't count or have poor health. I believe that if you set a good minimum standard, it will trickle up. Also if you don't want riots in the streets, you should make sure the lower classes are living decently. That's not morals, that political intelligence. Crowds with empty stomachs are a political nightmare.
- euyyn 10y ago
  Universal free healthcare exists in Europe and not in the US, and I don't see any riots caused by it. Riots were not the reason it was established in Europe either. Same with education. You can argue that it's economically beneficial for the higher classes in Europe, or convenient for the politicians. But even if it's the case (which is anything but obvious), that doesn't change the historical origin of those policies.
  - jokoon 10y ago
    I see a lot of drug related prison sentence, and riots do happen in the US in some neighborhood, and it makes the news. Not to mention the gun violence and recent prison riots. What I was saying is that if you want peaceful streets, you have to care for the poor, if not things will get messy. To me things are not really peaceful in the ghettos. High welfare helps "taming" the problems poverty creates.
    - euyyn 10y ago
      Not sure what are you trying to say with the drug fact. Or how riots in a prison would imply the welfare state doesn't derive from morality: In a prison you don't have to work, nor pay for your healthcare. So if anything it shows the opposite of your point.
      - jokoon 10y ago
        I was saying people escape their situation either with violence or by breaking the law.

by euyyn 10y ago

You don't believe morality exists, or is that a fancy way of saying "I don't have morals?" Because the welfare and healthcare system you are looking forward to live off exists only because of morals.

jokoon 10y ago

I don't think they exist because of morals. If you want a country that is thriving, lower classes should have a good living standard. The lower class is the basis of any country. Even if you have very smart people at the top, they can't do a lot if the people under them can't count or have poor health. I believe that if you set a good minimum standard, it will trickle up. Also if you don't want riots in the streets, you should make sure the lower classes are living decently. That's not morals, that political intelligence. Crowds with empty stomachs are a political nightmare.

euyyn 10y ago
Universal free healthcare exists in Europe and not in the US, and I don't see any riots caused by it. Riots were not the reason it was established in Europe either. Same with education. You can argue that it's economically beneficial for the higher classes in Europe, or convenient for the politicians. But even if it's the case (which is anything but obvious), that doesn't change the historical origin of those policies.
- jokoon 10y ago
  I see a lot of drug related prison sentence, and riots do happen in the US in some neighborhood, and it makes the news. Not to mention the gun violence and recent prison riots. What I was saying is that if you want peaceful streets, you have to care for the poor, if not things will get messy. To me things are not really peaceful in the ghettos. High welfare helps "taming" the problems poverty creates.
  - euyyn 10y ago
    Not sure what are you trying to say with the drug fact. Or how riots in a prison would imply the welfare state doesn't derive from morality: In a prison you don't have to work, nor pay for your healthcare. So if anything it shows the opposite of your point.
    - jokoon 10y ago
      I was saying people escape their situation either with violence or by breaking the law.