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And without an "edited" mark, which means that any comment of any user can be covertly modified by an admin. Very concerning since Reddit comments have provoked
by JorgeGT 10y ago
And without an "edited" mark, which means that any comment of any user can be covertly modified by an admin. Very concerning since Reddit comments have provoked even Congress hearings: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/296680-house-panel-probes-web-rumor-on-clinton-emails http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/296680-house-pan...
- wvenable 10y agoThe fact is anything digital can be modified this way; it's probably good that it happens and there are public examples so people learn not to trust it.
- ErikAugust 10y agoWould be good to have some distributed model (like Bitcoin, etc.) for message platforms like Reddit?
- arcticfox 10y agoI feel like Telegram will release something like this at some point...at least I'm hoping so!
- Natanael_L 10y agoMatrix.org will probably get there first
- reddytowns 10y agoTake a look at steem.io if you are interested in such a thing. As a disclaimer, I would not recommend investing much money in it.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoYeah. That would be great. I'd go so far as to say that it would be a really Useful network. If you catch my drift.
- rjbwork 10y agoPlease, tell me more about this wonderful futuristic technology.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoWell, you see, there used to be a network coexistant with the internet, backed by UUCP, because Unix didn't have internet support yet (among other reasons). And then there were these guys called Tom and Steve. And they wrote Usenet. And all was well until September fell. And then the usenet gradually faded into obscurity, as users moved towards walled gardens, and away from netnews. Some of these users were weeaboos: This is how the -chans made their way here from Japan.
- ChuckMcM 10y agoAwesome! that totally reads like a future history of post apocalyptic script kiddy explaining the current state of the world. Usenet was created because "networks" were expensive and "fax lines" were cheap. If you did it correctly machine A could call machine B in its local calling zone which could call machine C in its local calling zone and a message could go from A!B!C!user without incurring any long distance charges (aka "free"). Because you would lose your news feed if you pissed people off, spam was low because no admin would tolerate one of their users putting their system at risk of disconnection. When networks because "free" and anyone could talk to anyone, there was no impediment to spam and no way to scale, and much of the infrastructure collapsed on itself. That said, there is absolutely nothing preventing anyone from creating their own peer to peer messaging network. They could re-use the netnews code or write their own with a bit more security built in. The argument to that is "but hey no one will use it." to which you say "Who cares? My friends and I will use it." and since it is free and it is just you and your friends it will be fun and enjoyable. And if you're very unlucky everyone will join you.
- qwertyuiop924 10y agoIt reads like that in part because I was aiming for that vibe (something along the lines of http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~ravenben/humor/historyofnet http://www.cs.ucsb.edu/~ravenben/humor/historyofnet, or https://www.astro.umd.edu/~avondale/extra/Humor/ComputerHumor/PeaSea.html https://www.astro.umd.edu/~avondale/extra/Humor/ComputerHumo...). But also because my knowledge of Usenet history is very limited. So thanks for the crash course.
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- MK999 10y agohttp://twister.net.co/ http://twister.net.co/ is a twitter clone in bitcoin, so not a reddit clone. I've not seen a reddit clone yet.
- moridin007 10y agosteemit.com?
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- RubyPinch 10y agothere is already a system in place to have verified comments OpenPGP works for near anything
- Nadya 10y ago-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 But it does get annoying to sign every comment. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- wsBcBAEBCAAQBQJYNp4wCRCuaVAPm2QoyQAAr8sIAHQaE5B+HYdCz6XBrysdHzr4 ykR81zq5TXoMR+/f9UwuSi2I4881H4pEWsN9Fa0/qnpK/asNk+grEaMtB74DOg3p 8Uy3lUvlVglj9QTPZ9Hf90e3HHLOW2OonXitYaf1xPoczIO8NgwwebDDZIVohU4u 4EySOfgbP+VjwGbmtUJFeh0BifGN6b3DtKQrgVziWyumyK3WL9oz1kDAr4s24mCr 227ty9d+7kwtYhaszkM8HwGnstZaNSan1jpVkmsLRMSr4JqNFyNWalN5LU85w2WV zwY0n8mA7tHnrCd+mWcjp845I8gGn7NoFPHXhG2m+yU/f1LDsyXUib5hut+iduQ= =jcN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- RubyPinch 10y agoI do think relegating it to ${message} ${message sig metadata} ${message sig} could be done easily enough, and would look okay too. and then allow people to install an extension to verify automatically or the such
- Nadya 10y agoCould you post an actual example? I'm having problems deciphering what that would end up looking like.
- RubyPinch 10y agohttps://i.imgur.com/60ya7x8.png https://i.imgur.com/60ya7x8.png I know its considered wrong to mess around with the structure, but this is reversible, looks neater, n' can be hidden (after verification) by third party tools with a simple "is this PGP-like, if yes, delete element" instead of mucking around, splitting arbitrary html
- TD-Linux 10y agoNo need. Simple digital signatures of comments (and of their parents) would go a long way here.
- dorfsmay 10y agoSo Usenet?
- Natanael_L 10y agoAbsolutely! Here's my sketch for a system like that; https://roamingaroundatrandom.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/a-decentralized-hash-chained-discussion-system/ https://roamingaroundatrandom.wordpress.com/2014/06/01/a-dec...
- eternalban 10y agoGithub.com can't modify your commit records without modifying top level (observable) artifacts.
- taneq 10y agoAfter all, Confucius say "do not believe everything you read on internet."
- dvt 10y agoIt's more concerning that Congress is that stupid (one can only hope the Courts haven't been making rulings based on untraced emails and anonymous tweets). Social media is a canonical exemplar of hearsay. There's a reason Wikipedia isn't an acceptable source in college-level courses.
- Throwaway23412 10y agoNo, but Wikipedia's sources usually are. I feel like there's a world of difference between a well-sourced encyclopedia entry and a comment on a somewhat anonymous forum.
- dvt 10y agoWikipedia's sources are usually terrible (a blog post), unverifiable (I don't have access to the actual book), or they 404. Sometimes, Wikipedia editors don't understand the source so the Wikipedia article and the source are actually at odds with one another. I've witnessed this a few times when I investigated dubious claims.
- VintageCool 10y agoOne time while studying for a final exam, I did a final review of the Wikipedia article and noticed a quote which was an exact match for a paper that I had just read, and it was followed by [citation needed]. Adding that citation is one of my proudest Wikipedia edits ever.
- mixedCase 10y agoThe reason being Wikipedia is a summary made by a constantly changing group of people out of actual sources with a real name attached to it, which are the ones you're supposed to link. In any case, a permalink to a specific revision that includes a sha256sum of the article is a good way to ensure you're getting a reliable link to information which can not be tampered without failing the checksum.
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- x0x0 10y agoIn which people discover admins can admin a database. Also, ceo of reddit looks like a horrid job.
- noobermin 10y agoLook, I get that being lambasted by your base sucks, but yes, being the boss means you have to keep your cool and not abuse your power, as difficult as that is. The job demands you have a superhuman temperament...and he definitely is human, but that shouldn't excuse his behavior.
- x0x0 10y agoIt would also be perfectly reasonable to bulk ban anyone suggesting the reddit ceo is a pedophile, plus any subreddit that tolerated it. Using reddit does not give you the right to abuse people that way. What he did -- which I can't really tell, because something about pizzagate, and the whole thing is just too dumb to care about -- was probably dumb, but whatever.
- mullen 10y ago> Also, ceo of reddit looks like a horrid job. You could not pay me enough to be CEO of that cesspool. People take Reddit way too seriously.
- noir_lord 10y agoSome do, most don't, I just enjoy it for what it is.
- derrickdirge 10y agoWould you rather be spez or moot?
- mullen 10y agoMoot. You know he signed up for that and has continued to make 4chan what it is. Spez is trying to un-4chan reddit and catching a lot of flack for it. I would rather be a person who voluntarily runs a cesspool than be a person forced to run one.
- dhruval 10y agoHe changed a 'F U CEO' (upvoted by 1.6k users) comment to 'F U unpaid reddit moderator', without any indication that the comment was edited. Very juvenile and unprofessional way of dealing with the situation, really erodes trust in the platform (simply deleting the comment would have been a better response). Would maybe expect this from the founder of a young fledgling startup, but the 33 year old CEO of a company like Reddit ought to know better.
- kordless 10y agoIt's well within his power to change a comment. What's not cool is that he changed it to a lie. If he's the CEO, he's paid.
- JorgeGT 10y agoOne thing is to visibly edit a comment like they do in StackExchange. Impersonating a user is a very different thing.
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- bigtunacan 10y agoIt's an abuse of power and ethics and is a line that shouldn't be crossed. It is much more honest and within reason to take steps like deleting posts, suspending or even outright banning users.
- toomuchtodo 10y agoWhile an abuse of power, I'm not sure I see the outrage. It's Reddit. It's an Internet forum run by a private corporation. The users in question abusing spez have zero right to their speech on the platform. You have zero recourse if Reddit edits your comments. Nuke /r/the_donald, nuke the users and hellban their IPS of those who sent abusive messages, and let's move on. Bask in the irony when I say, "Drain the swamp"
- 69mlgsniperdad 10y agoI highly doubt secretly editing a comment of another user is one of his account's listed privledges. Not marked edited, I highly doubt its a built-in feature of the website for even administrators. What if a low level employee, who doesn't even have privilege to ban users, had leveraged his technical back-end access to their databases to alter a comment. Act as the person who made the original comment, effectively impersonating them by using their technical access to reddit's data to basically 'hack' that users account. I highly doubt this is 'within his rights' as a founder, as someone here commented...
- defgeneric 10y agoAt the same time though, you'd imagine reddit has some sort of distributed backend so that getting direct access to the datastore and doing something like UPDATE the_donald SET comment = replace('/u/spez', '/u/notspez', comment) WHERE 'fuck /u/spez' in lowercase(comment); would create massive consistency headaches.
- iso-8859-1 10y agoReddit has the infrastructure for censorship, they have had to remove content before.
- samstave 10y agoTrue but thats not what we are talking about
- epicureanideal 10y agoI just went to look at Reddit to learn more about this. Someone there makes the good point that if the mods can edit user comments, they could in theory plant false evidence of crimes. https://i.reddituploads.com/26af29432a2340a98d83052a0ed3efcc?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=ca36923eb18c6045c2cde3447b16c4c4 https://i.reddituploads.com/26af29432a2340a98d83052a0ed3efcc... I didn't understand the significance of this until reading that comment.
- Sacho 10y agoSorry to nitpick, but I'd like to point out that "administrators" and "moderators" are two different groups in Reddit. "Administrators"(which spez is part of) are Reddit staff; Moderators are users who create a subreddit or are enlisted to help manage it; Moderators do not have the power to edit user comments.
- nialv7 10y agoI think I would attach a PGP signature to my reddit posts from now on....