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From a fellow immigrant, please don't believe everything NYT/CNN tell you (i.e. daily fearmongering).

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TimJRobinson 10y ago
You don't need the media to know how much Trump likes to stir up fear and hatred in the USA. Watching him speak vs Trudeau is like night and day. Trump clearly wants to make everyone fearful of the outsiders, of the elites, and fearful for their future so they can be sold his plan. Trudeau is almost the polar opposite in how he presents himself and his vision. He thinks about issues deeply and wants to build a united country where people see their differences as strengths and take care of each other. The media in both countries likes to incite fear because that's what sells, it's far easier than ever before to do that with the current president elect.
- refurb 10y ago
  Trudeau just got into office. Give it some time.
- charlesism 10y ago
  If my government wanted to put me on a special list because of my religion, or my lack thereof, that would be all the incentive I'd need to emigrate.
obviousthrow 10y ago
It's not the media. It's Trump - his own words and deeds. The media doesn't need to tell you about Trump, he does it himself. My wife and I have heard and seen enough.
esturk 10y ago
You don't know where he lives though. He could live close to rural areas which might be a big problem. The burden of being a minority in rural areas is that anything you do is magnified and generalized for all people in that group. If someone locally commits a crime they can say its a one time thing but if a person of color/minority commits a crime, it literally spreads across a small town and generalized simply because rural areas don't often come into contact with minorities. Thus is the burden of being a minority in rural America.
- obviousthrow 10y ago
  I'm not in deep rural America, but I'm not in a big city either - I'm about 50 miles from the nearest big city. And this is a red state. It's mostly white people here, and that was never ever an issue before the events of 2016. Seriously, I didn't even think about it. Yes, people were sometimes a little distant or whatever, but I never faced racism that I could point at. It helps that we speak fluently with barely any accent - people (store clerks, etc.) would be standoffish till we spoke and then they'd be fine. Now, there's a distinctly different feeling when we walk into our grocery store, or go out to eat. People look at us more, there's a chill in the air and it's not just winter. You might think I'm being paranoid and maybe I am. But I'm taking it seriously enough to upend our life and move to a new country. This isn't something you do on a whim, or just cause you're feeling singled out. I sent my fingerprints to the FBI for a police check. That's not like buying a coffee. We are just so disappointed - and let me clarify, I'm not politically active, nor do I care very much for the other candidate. It's just sad to think that this is the best the US could do. It's also terrifying (as immigrants and minorities) to see the people who are getting cabinet positions. My friend's six year old daughter was told to go back to her own country. She was born here. She is indistinguishable from your average six-year old US kid - except she isn't white and has a name that's different. She never had that happen before. We aren't going to raise our children here. I'm going to get off my soapbox now. I'm sorry if this comment isn't a good fit for HN. I am a quiet soul and do not usually speak stridently online or offline. I guess this HN story just caught me at a low point.
  - beachstartup 10y ago
    > I sent my fingerprints to the FBI for a police check. That's not like buying a coffee. what does this mean? anyway - you're not going to find any less of what you're describing in canada. possibly even more, depending on where you move. the backlash to their hard-left politics hasn't happened yet, but it will. -non-white american with immigrant parents
    - mattkrause 10y ago
      It's part of the immigration requirements (i.e., prove you're not a criminal). I think OP mentioned it because it's fairly annoying to do, and thus indicates his seriousness.
beachstartup 10y ago
i also believe the op to be anxious and irrational because of the media coverage. i think many people are. the media was wrong about trump, and now they are doubling down by stoking fear in the hearts of viewers. it's insanity. let's not talk about how these outlets are all owned by individuals and groups/interests opposing trump and his agenda. this is basic US partisan politics 101, and it's scaring people who are not used to it, or do not understand how it works, like this person who has lived here for 7 years and is now shocked that we do not live in a nation that would vote for basically a 3rd obama term. this is literally his first white president (lol, think about that) and now he lives in a racist shithole? come on. 2 of the deepest red states in the nation elected indian american republican governors. louisiana, and south carolina. the entire nation elected obama twice. california has yet to elect a non-white governor, or senator. has new york? i don't know, but i doubt it. silicon valley is still run by nearly 100% white people. the only time i've ever seen open racism was in boston massachusetts. notice how his justification for moving is "a chill in the air", "people look at me longer" .. these aren't words or actions by other people, these are feelings that arise internally from a heightened state of awareness due to anxiety. my parents immigrated here in the 80s and faced some really fucked up discrimination and have persevered and succeeded (and so have i) in a great country. if this person is going to throw away their 7 years of work and quarter million dollar income (immigrants making $250k, sounds like an awful place) for a "chill in the air" i say good riddance. they're in for a rude awakening when they meet their first canadian racist and their first canadian tax withholding.
- charlesism 10y ago
  In all seriousness, what do you figure they intend to do with that list of muslims? You seem very relaxed about the whole thing.
  - kobeya 10y ago
    In all seriousness, if there is a national registry of Muslims created under a Trump presidency, I'll eat my hat. We are a nation of laws and the office of the president does not carry absolute power. The list of Muslims campaign promise runs afoul of so many limits on power, starting with the 1st amendment. It won't happen.

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You don't need the media to know how much Trump likes to stir up fear and hatred in the USA. Watching him speak vs Trudeau is like night and day. Trump clearly wants to make everyone fearful of the outsiders, of the elites, and fearful for their future so they can be sold his plan. Trudeau is almost the polar opposite in how he presents himself and his vision. He thinks about issues deeply and wants to build a united country where people see their differences as strengths and take care of each other. The media in both countries likes to incite fear because that's what sells, it's far easier than ever before to do that with the current president elect.

refurb 10y ago
Trudeau just got into office. Give it some time.
charlesism 10y ago
If my government wanted to put me on a special list because of my religion, or my lack thereof, that would be all the incentive I'd need to emigrate.

obviousthrow 10y ago

It's not the media. It's Trump - his own words and deeds. The media doesn't need to tell you about Trump, he does it himself. My wife and I have heard and seen enough.

esturk 10y ago

You don't know where he lives though. He could live close to rural areas which might be a big problem. The burden of being a minority in rural areas is that anything you do is magnified and generalized for all people in that group. If someone locally commits a crime they can say its a one time thing but if a person of color/minority commits a crime, it literally spreads across a small town and generalized simply because rural areas don't often come into contact with minorities. Thus is the burden of being a minority in rural America.

obviousthrow 10y ago
I'm not in deep rural America, but I'm not in a big city either - I'm about 50 miles from the nearest big city. And this is a red state. It's mostly white people here, and that was never ever an issue before the events of 2016. Seriously, I didn't even think about it. Yes, people were sometimes a little distant or whatever, but I never faced racism that I could point at. It helps that we speak fluently with barely any accent - people (store clerks, etc.) would be standoffish till we spoke and then they'd be fine. Now, there's a distinctly different feeling when we walk into our grocery store, or go out to eat. People look at us more, there's a chill in the air and it's not just winter. You might think I'm being paranoid and maybe I am. But I'm taking it seriously enough to upend our life and move to a new country. This isn't something you do on a whim, or just cause you're feeling singled out. I sent my fingerprints to the FBI for a police check. That's not like buying a coffee. We are just so disappointed - and let me clarify, I'm not politically active, nor do I care very much for the other candidate. It's just sad to think that this is the best the US could do. It's also terrifying (as immigrants and minorities) to see the people who are getting cabinet positions. My friend's six year old daughter was told to go back to her own country. She was born here. She is indistinguishable from your average six-year old US kid - except she isn't white and has a name that's different. She never had that happen before. We aren't going to raise our children here. I'm going to get off my soapbox now. I'm sorry if this comment isn't a good fit for HN. I am a quiet soul and do not usually speak stridently online or offline. I guess this HN story just caught me at a low point.
- beachstartup 10y ago
  > I sent my fingerprints to the FBI for a police check. That's not like buying a coffee. what does this mean? anyway - you're not going to find any less of what you're describing in canada. possibly even more, depending on where you move. the backlash to their hard-left politics hasn't happened yet, but it will. -non-white american with immigrant parents
  - mattkrause 10y ago
    It's part of the immigration requirements (i.e., prove you're not a criminal). I think OP mentioned it because it's fairly annoying to do, and thus indicates his seriousness.

beachstartup 10y ago

i also believe the op to be anxious and irrational because of the media coverage. i think many people are. the media was wrong about trump, and now they are doubling down by stoking fear in the hearts of viewers. it's insanity. let's not talk about how these outlets are all owned by individuals and groups/interests opposing trump and his agenda. this is basic US partisan politics 101, and it's scaring people who are not used to it, or do not understand how it works, like this person who has lived here for 7 years and is now shocked that we do not live in a nation that would vote for basically a 3rd obama term. this is literally his first white president (lol, think about that) and now he lives in a racist shithole? come on. 2 of the deepest red states in the nation elected indian american republican governors. louisiana, and south carolina. the entire nation elected obama twice. california has yet to elect a non-white governor, or senator. has new york? i don't know, but i doubt it. silicon valley is still run by nearly 100% white people. the only time i've ever seen open racism was in boston massachusetts. notice how his justification for moving is "a chill in the air", "people look at me longer" .. these aren't words or actions by other people, these are feelings that arise internally from a heightened state of awareness due to anxiety. my parents immigrated here in the 80s and faced some really fucked up discrimination and have persevered and succeeded (and so have i) in a great country. if this person is going to throw away their 7 years of work and quarter million dollar income (immigrants making $250k, sounds like an awful place) for a "chill in the air" i say good riddance. they're in for a rude awakening when they meet their first canadian racist and their first canadian tax withholding.

charlesism 10y ago
In all seriousness, what do you figure they intend to do with that list of muslims? You seem very relaxed about the whole thing.
- kobeya 10y ago
  In all seriousness, if there is a national registry of Muslims created under a Trump presidency, I'll eat my hat. We are a nation of laws and the office of the president does not carry absolute power. The list of Muslims campaign promise runs afoul of so many limits on power, starting with the 1st amendment. It won't happen.