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I think it's a catch-22, if the laptop had 32GB ram but 5hr battery life, folks would complain about it because, for example, it wouldn't last on a flight from

I think it's a catch-22, if the laptop had 32GB ram but 5hr battery life, folks would complain about it because, for example, it wouldn't last on a flight from East/West coast flight or across the pond. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. This whole MbP experience feels rushed; Like a new tech release. You see the possibilities but it just falls short...

bdcravens 10y ago
I suspect the iPhone approach of new release then a higher performance "S" release of the same device a year later has taken hold in the MacBook division.
- bardworx 10y ago
  If what you say materializes, the outrage would be real..i mean the "Pro" monicker should already denote higher performance...
  - bdcravens 10y ago
    It's believed there will be 32gb options next year: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts-32gb-ram/ http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts... As for the "Pro" moniker, the new machines are pretty high performance (especially on the video front). That doesn't preclude Apple making some tradeoff and/or leaving some performance on the table.
tw04 10y ago
> it wouldn't last on a flight from East/West coast flight or across the pond. Anyone making that flight on a regular basis is going to have access to a power outlet. Any run-of-the-mill consumer isn't going to be working and will be just fine with a tablet or a book.
- monksy 10y ago
  At least you're going to figure out which plane+airline tends to have the outlets.
- umanwizard 10y ago
  Not true. I fly between New York and SF every couple months and my company doesn't pay for business class
  - throwketchup 10y ago
    But the whole front half of the airplane on most airlines (LCCs excepted) has power outlets. That includes premium economy and a bunch of regular economy.
  - tw04 10y ago
    Business class? Delta has power in what amounts to the front half of the plane on most flights.
slantyyz 10y ago
>> if the laptop had 32GB ram but 5hr battery life, folks would complain about it because Folks will complain no matter what. No version of the Macbook Pro can be everything to everyone. Having said that, what I find most interesting about these recent debates is the back and forth about how much people actually need. The argument that "well, it's no problem for me, and I do x, y and z!" is not really a good rebuttal, in my opinion. Everyone is different and everyone has had different experiences. The people defending the new Macbook Pros need to remember that the complaining isn't coming from outsiders (Windows users) trying to stir the pot -- it's coming from people who love Macs and genuinely want better Macs. It's important for these people to dissent, because if they don't, Apple will never know if they might have made a decision that negatively affects a significant number of people.
- bardworx 10y ago
  > Having said that, what I find most interesting about these recent debates is the back and forth about how much people actually need. The argument that "well, it's no problem for me, and I do x, y and z!" is not really a good rebuttal, in my opinion. I guess what you're saying is just the fact that there is a limit is an issue? This reminds me of a question I once read in Maxim magazine, about 10 years ago or so. The reader wrote in asking why speedometer on cars go so high while there are few places in the world you can drive that fast. The answer was that if car manufacturers would limit the speedometer, there would be an outrage from the general populace.
  - slantyyz 10y ago
    I highly doubt the outcry is imaginary. There have to be Mac users who are looking for workstation class laptops and have a legitimate need for more than 16GB RAM. They may be a tiny population, but making presumptions that their complaints are invalid because you can't create a situation that taxes the Macbook isn't constructive. People have been going on and on supporting USB-C only as future proofing the Macbook Pro (even though it's not even an ubiquitous standard now, and maybe not even for two years). Given how software is constantly requiring more and more memory, limiting RAM to 16GB is doing the absolute opposite of future proofing.

bdcravens 10y ago

I suspect the iPhone approach of new release then a higher performance "S" release of the same device a year later has taken hold in the MacBook division.

bardworx 10y ago
If what you say materializes, the outrage would be real..i mean the "Pro" monicker should already denote higher performance...
- bdcravens 10y ago
  It's believed there will be 32gb options next year: http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts-32gb-ram/ http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/31/macbooks-2017-price-cuts... As for the "Pro" moniker, the new machines are pretty high performance (especially on the video front). That doesn't preclude Apple making some tradeoff and/or leaving some performance on the table.

tw04 10y ago

> it wouldn't last on a flight from East/West coast flight or across the pond. Anyone making that flight on a regular basis is going to have access to a power outlet. Any run-of-the-mill consumer isn't going to be working and will be just fine with a tablet or a book.

monksy 10y ago
At least you're going to figure out which plane+airline tends to have the outlets.
umanwizard 10y ago
Not true. I fly between New York and SF every couple months and my company doesn't pay for business class
- throwketchup 10y ago
  But the whole front half of the airplane on most airlines (LCCs excepted) has power outlets. That includes premium economy and a bunch of regular economy.
- tw04 10y ago
  Business class? Delta has power in what amounts to the front half of the plane on most flights.

slantyyz 10y ago

>> if the laptop had 32GB ram but 5hr battery life, folks would complain about it because Folks will complain no matter what. No version of the Macbook Pro can be everything to everyone. Having said that, what I find most interesting about these recent debates is the back and forth about how much people actually need. The argument that "well, it's no problem for me, and I do x, y and z!" is not really a good rebuttal, in my opinion. Everyone is different and everyone has had different experiences. The people defending the new Macbook Pros need to remember that the complaining isn't coming from outsiders (Windows users) trying to stir the pot -- it's coming from people who love Macs and genuinely want better Macs. It's important for these people to dissent, because if they don't, Apple will never know if they might have made a decision that negatively affects a significant number of people.

bardworx 10y ago
> Having said that, what I find most interesting about these recent debates is the back and forth about how much people actually need. The argument that "well, it's no problem for me, and I do x, y and z!" is not really a good rebuttal, in my opinion. I guess what you're saying is just the fact that there is a limit is an issue? This reminds me of a question I once read in Maxim magazine, about 10 years ago or so. The reader wrote in asking why speedometer on cars go so high while there are few places in the world you can drive that fast. The answer was that if car manufacturers would limit the speedometer, there would be an outrage from the general populace.
- slantyyz 10y ago
  I highly doubt the outcry is imaginary. There have to be Mac users who are looking for workstation class laptops and have a legitimate need for more than 16GB RAM. They may be a tiny population, but making presumptions that their complaints are invalid because you can't create a situation that taxes the Macbook isn't constructive. People have been going on and on supporting USB-C only as future proofing the Macbook Pro (even though it's not even an ubiquitous standard now, and maybe not even for two years). Given how software is constantly requiring more and more memory, limiting RAM to 16GB is doing the absolute opposite of future proofing.