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I hear this so often, and the response is always the same: By his own words, he's WORSE. He isn't the outsider black horse you think he is, at best he's a scumm

I hear this so often, and the response is always the same: By his own words, he's WORSE. He isn't the outsider black horse you think he is, at best he's a scummy businessman and reality TV mook who saw an opportunity to get desperate people like you to project your desires onto a nebulous non-platform full of rhetoric and dog whistles. > Why can't you give this man a chance? Breitbart.com editor for cabinet, his biggest supporter and rabble-rouser during the election. Nice tit for tat there, coming from the 'less corrupt' candidate. Racist piece of human garbage. "Jeff Sessions, considered too racist to be a judge in 80's, is Trump's AG." If he were going to be given a chance, I think he's communicated his intent in actions as well as the previous hedged words at this point.

alphapapa 10y ago
> Racist piece of human garbage. This is why Clinton lost the election. Most people don't buy this hyperbole anymore. Even 1/3rd of Clinton voters don't believe the media anymore. > "Jeff Sessions, considered too racist to be a judge in 80's, is Trump's AG." My understanding is that Sessions worked to ensure that a KKK leader, who kidnapped and murdered a black teenager, received the death penalty instead of a life sentence. Isn't this counter-evidence to the assertion that he's a racist? But I guess it's hard to reason when you've made up your mind that your opponents are "human garbage."
- tptacek 10y ago
  It's evidence that prosecutors are motivated primarily by the scorekeeping of their professions: convictions and successfully-sold sentences. Successfully convicting a KKK leader is also politically expedient for a prosecutor who plans on higher elected office. And, finally, the country is full of virulent racists who nonetheless feel like the KKK is a bunch of toothless goobers. See, for instance, the "Concerned Citizens Council" movement. Since these are all pretty straightforward observations, the attempts to "rehabilitate" Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III by pointing out his conviction of a KKK leader are pretty telling. As in, that's the best argument you have? (I'm sure there are in fact better arguments; you should find them and use them instead. Fair warning: "Sessions once shared a hotel room with another black lawyer", an argument that has actually been advanced on Twitter, is not one of the better alternatives).
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    > It's evidence that prosecutors are motivated primarily by the scorekeeping of their professions: convictions and successfully-sold sentences. There's surely some truth to that, but it doesn't justify dismissing it as counter-evidence. You could just as easily rationalize any other vague, unsubstantiated reason to do so, such as claiming that there was some entirely personal grudge that Sessions was holding against him. People act on a variety of motivations. Selectively dismissing evidence based upon one hypothesized motivation is intellectually dishonest. > Since these are all pretty straightforward observations, the attempts to "rehabilitate" Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III by pointing out his conviction of a KKK leader are pretty telling. As in, that's the best argument you have? (I'm sure there are in fact better arguments; you should find them and use them instead. Fair warning: "Sessions once shared a hotel room with another black lawyer", an argument that has actually been advanced on Twitter, is not one of the better alternatives). This is not a logical argument. You are taking evidence counter to your assertion and twisting it into a counter-attack in which, by even uttering it, a person proves himself wrong. This has been dubbed a Kafkatrap. It begs the question and is a bare attempt at emotional manipulation.
    - Dylan16807 10y ago
      "X argument is trash, and just in case you try Y, it's also trash" is not a trap, it's an attempt at efficiency.
      - WaxProlix 10y ago
        The mental gymnastics these people go through in order to retain some sort of high ground in the face of overwhelming evidence is pretty nuts.
        alphapapa 10y ago
        Yes, his twisting simple facts, which are counter-evidence to his claim, into a Kafkatrap against me is quite some mental gymnastics. Or would you care to refute the logical fallacies I pointed out in his claims? I guess probably not. After all, I'm just one of "these people" who are "pretty nuts." It still hasn't sunk in: this hubris of yours is why Clinton lost the election. Be careful looking down your nose all the time--you might walk into something.
- majormajor 10y ago
  > Even 1/3rd of Clinton voters don't believe the media anymore. What's "the media," exactly? Would it include the most watched cable network? Because no, I don't believe Fox News blindly, but let's not pretend there's a monolithic single mainstream there. Even it is certainly more accurate than the shit you'll find online most places.
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    I'm referring to a poll which asked Clinton voters whether they "trust the media." Take it for whatever it's worth to you. :)

alphapapa 10y ago

> Racist piece of human garbage. This is why Clinton lost the election. Most people don't buy this hyperbole anymore. Even 1/3rd of Clinton voters don't believe the media anymore. > "Jeff Sessions, considered too racist to be a judge in 80's, is Trump's AG." My understanding is that Sessions worked to ensure that a KKK leader, who kidnapped and murdered a black teenager, received the death penalty instead of a life sentence. Isn't this counter-evidence to the assertion that he's a racist? But I guess it's hard to reason when you've made up your mind that your opponents are "human garbage."

tptacek 10y ago
It's evidence that prosecutors are motivated primarily by the scorekeeping of their professions: convictions and successfully-sold sentences. Successfully convicting a KKK leader is also politically expedient for a prosecutor who plans on higher elected office. And, finally, the country is full of virulent racists who nonetheless feel like the KKK is a bunch of toothless goobers. See, for instance, the "Concerned Citizens Council" movement. Since these are all pretty straightforward observations, the attempts to "rehabilitate" Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III by pointing out his conviction of a KKK leader are pretty telling. As in, that's the best argument you have? (I'm sure there are in fact better arguments; you should find them and use them instead. Fair warning: "Sessions once shared a hotel room with another black lawyer", an argument that has actually been advanced on Twitter, is not one of the better alternatives).
- alphapapa 10y ago
  > It's evidence that prosecutors are motivated primarily by the scorekeeping of their professions: convictions and successfully-sold sentences. There's surely some truth to that, but it doesn't justify dismissing it as counter-evidence. You could just as easily rationalize any other vague, unsubstantiated reason to do so, such as claiming that there was some entirely personal grudge that Sessions was holding against him. People act on a variety of motivations. Selectively dismissing evidence based upon one hypothesized motivation is intellectually dishonest. > Since these are all pretty straightforward observations, the attempts to "rehabilitate" Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III by pointing out his conviction of a KKK leader are pretty telling. As in, that's the best argument you have? (I'm sure there are in fact better arguments; you should find them and use them instead. Fair warning: "Sessions once shared a hotel room with another black lawyer", an argument that has actually been advanced on Twitter, is not one of the better alternatives). This is not a logical argument. You are taking evidence counter to your assertion and twisting it into a counter-attack in which, by even uttering it, a person proves himself wrong. This has been dubbed a Kafkatrap. It begs the question and is a bare attempt at emotional manipulation.
  - Dylan16807 10y ago
    "X argument is trash, and just in case you try Y, it's also trash" is not a trap, it's an attempt at efficiency.
    - WaxProlix 10y ago
      The mental gymnastics these people go through in order to retain some sort of high ground in the face of overwhelming evidence is pretty nuts.
      - alphapapa 10y ago
        Yes, his twisting simple facts, which are counter-evidence to his claim, into a Kafkatrap against me is quite some mental gymnastics. Or would you care to refute the logical fallacies I pointed out in his claims? I guess probably not. After all, I'm just one of "these people" who are "pretty nuts." It still hasn't sunk in: this hubris of yours is why Clinton lost the election. Be careful looking down your nose all the time--you might walk into something.
majormajor 10y ago
> Even 1/3rd of Clinton voters don't believe the media anymore. What's "the media," exactly? Would it include the most watched cable network? Because no, I don't believe Fox News blindly, but let's not pretend there's a monolithic single mainstream there. Even it is certainly more accurate than the shit you'll find online most places.
- alphapapa 10y ago
  I'm referring to a poll which asked Clinton voters whether they "trust the media." Take it for whatever it's worth to you. :)