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Hey, I'm still on Windows desktop after having tried Linux desktop more times than I can count. But to claim that bash (or most other shells) are only preferabl

by croon 10y ago

Hey, I'm still on Windows desktop after having tried Linux desktop more times than I can count. But to claim that bash (or most other shells) are only preferable to cmd and powershell if you're a linux zealot is what is truly laughable. If you have ever worked with both there would be no question.

oblio 10y ago
I have worked with both and I would not claim that bash is superior to Powershell. I wouldn't even claim that my favorite shell, zsh, which is mostly better than bash, is superior to Powershell. They're different approaches and the only real benefit of bash is that it's super entrenched and extremely widely supported. With the same level of support Powershell would run circles around it. But since we're comparing things in the real world, Powershell is roughly equivalent to bash for most tasks. Better for some, worse for others.
- croon 10y ago
  > They're different approaches and the only real benefit of bash is that it's super entrenched and extremely widely supported. With the same level of support Powershell would run circles around it. I'm not sure what you mean with this. If you're referring to feature set and robustness with typing in scripting, I might agree with you. I have however a much tougher time agreeing if you also think that powershell could come even close to bash/zsh when working from the shell, in both speed of use (and as you said) support.
  - oblio 10y ago
    > I have however a much tougher time agreeing if you also think that powershell could come even close to bash/zsh when working from the shell, in both speed of use (and as you said) support. At the end of the day, both bash/zsh are "dumb" shells, they don't have the introspection capabilities Powershell has regarding commands they execute. That's both a benefit (they're flexible and you can throw anything at them) but also a disadvantage (they can't really help you much out of the box when you want to run a command; they are only able to help you regarding things they find out from the kernel, such as files, but not arbitrary info from the commands themselves). The reasons that bash/zsh are faster and better supported boil down to history: tens of years of production usage by millions of people. As a result there's this cottage industry of tips and tricks, autocompletion scripts, etc. that makes bash and zsh usable. I'm willing to bet that with a similar amount of man-hours poured into its ecosystem Powershell would beat both of them. But as I said, we live in the real world and both bash/zsh are faster and a bit more robust than Powershell.
RandomOpinion 10y ago
I've used various shells on UNIXes and powershell and they're both about the same to me. Powershell has clunkier syntax but has more features. What exactly about bash would you say makes it superior?
- croon 10y ago
  I responded to the other comment as well, but: In essence, the speed when working in it (compared to powershell). While powershell does have more features, at that point I'm just more likely to use python or similar for portability.
globalgobble 10y ago
Dude. I have worked with UNIX like systems most of my prof. career. I have migrated to the "dark'side just recently (3 y ago). They are both just tools to get the job done.
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by croon 10y ago

oblio 10y ago

I have worked with both and I would not claim that bash is superior to Powershell. I wouldn't even claim that my favorite shell, zsh, which is mostly better than bash, is superior to Powershell. They're different approaches and the only real benefit of bash is that it's super entrenched and extremely widely supported. With the same level of support Powershell would run circles around it. But since we're comparing things in the real world, Powershell is roughly equivalent to bash for most tasks. Better for some, worse for others.

croon 10y ago
> They're different approaches and the only real benefit of bash is that it's super entrenched and extremely widely supported. With the same level of support Powershell would run circles around it. I'm not sure what you mean with this. If you're referring to feature set and robustness with typing in scripting, I might agree with you. I have however a much tougher time agreeing if you also think that powershell could come even close to bash/zsh when working from the shell, in both speed of use (and as you said) support.
- oblio 10y ago
  > I have however a much tougher time agreeing if you also think that powershell could come even close to bash/zsh when working from the shell, in both speed of use (and as you said) support. At the end of the day, both bash/zsh are "dumb" shells, they don't have the introspection capabilities Powershell has regarding commands they execute. That's both a benefit (they're flexible and you can throw anything at them) but also a disadvantage (they can't really help you much out of the box when you want to run a command; they are only able to help you regarding things they find out from the kernel, such as files, but not arbitrary info from the commands themselves). The reasons that bash/zsh are faster and better supported boil down to history: tens of years of production usage by millions of people. As a result there's this cottage industry of tips and tricks, autocompletion scripts, etc. that makes bash and zsh usable. I'm willing to bet that with a similar amount of man-hours poured into its ecosystem Powershell would beat both of them. But as I said, we live in the real world and both bash/zsh are faster and a bit more robust than Powershell.

RandomOpinion 10y ago

I've used various shells on UNIXes and powershell and they're both about the same to me. Powershell has clunkier syntax but has more features. What exactly about bash would you say makes it superior?

croon 10y ago
I responded to the other comment as well, but: In essence, the speed when working in it (compared to powershell). While powershell does have more features, at that point I'm just more likely to use python or similar for portability.

globalgobble 10y ago

Dude. I have worked with UNIX like systems most of my prof. career. I have migrated to the "dark'side just recently (3 y ago). They are both just tools to get the job done.

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