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> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn e

> That's why I left Russia and I hope forever! > dirty rotten mouths of nasty Kremlin bastards > Heck, the majority of Russians doesn't even bother to learn elementary English! > Stupid people buy everything Kremlin tells them, including version about protecting Russian citizens from US NSA. > thanks to backward masses > P.S. I hope to get rid of toxic Russian citizenship in the future. I think the only thing toxic here is how you write and view other humans and your fellow countrymen as inferior beings. I have no Russian heritage, but I lived in rural cities around Russia for a year and was there another 6 months in Moscow after Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is definitely much different from the Western world and there are a lot of things I disagree with, but I would never call anyone stupid for supporting Putin or the government. Calling folks stupid and backward for supporting stuff you dont support is just you thinking you are better than everyone else when you are not. Don't be a dick because some people are less fortunate than you and didn't have an opportunity to learn critical thinking. Even people much smarter than you might support what you don't like. The world isn't black and white. You are in for a rude awakening if you believe that other governments don't lie to their citizens. Whatever government you currently support and get your new citizenship from, you are a pawn and part of the "backward masses" for whatever fucked up scheme that government is cooking up to screw you over.

hal9000xp 10y ago
This majority is totally fine to imprison unwanted minorities. This majority is totally fine to restrict my freedoms. This majority thinks they are right because they are majority. So in short, the majority asks me to sacrifice myself for their sake because I'm in minority and they are in majority. If so, f##k them! P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged
- kovrik 10y ago
  I have left my parents and many friends and colleagues in Russia. They all are kind and smart and good people. They just can't leave the country as I did: they don't want to, they are bound to their family, they have business there, they don't work in IT, they don't know English etc. The fact that you've left Russia is not making you `special` or `elite`. There are bad and stupid people everywhere, as well as good and smart and awesome people. World is not black and white.
  - mickronome 10y ago
    Being part of a minority is not the same as being 'elite' or 'special' in the sense you seem to imply, and I can't see that the author claims to be part of some kind of elite either? What are you trying to say ?
- Dolores12 10y ago
  That's how democracy works. Are you against democracy?
  - DrJokepu 10y ago
    There's a difference between democracy and ochlocracy ("mob rule").
    - rangibaby 10y ago
      It's democracy (with a small d) when I agree with it, ochlocracy when I don't?
      - DrJokepu 10y ago
        No, this is a rather cynical thing to say. In a free society, the rule of the people is only one of the pillars of freedom. Other pillars include the rule of law, certain inalienable rights, etc. Without these, the rule of the people descend into majoritianism or ochlocracy. The textbook example of ochlocracy is the French Revolution between the Insurrection of 10 August 1792 and the Thermidorian Reaction.
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    - rhizome 10y ago
      Is the practical mechanism of ochlocracy that it's a democracy with sore winners?
  - bzbarsky 10y ago
    Yes. Any thinking person should be against democracy in the sense of "any time we can get one vote over 50% for something we should pass the something". This is why the US government was set up with various undemocratic features. This is why there are things like constitutions that require supermajorities to modify. Protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority is one of the main purposes of good governmenance.
- type0 10y ago
  I think it is completely appalling how russian majority treats minorities, I'm not even talking about political parties or freedom of speech. Homosexuals and smaller ethnicities there are having hard time. A friend of mine lived in Russia, being half black - the constant racism from general populace forced him to leave. I like russian people but not russian society. Some psychologists say that societies have collective consciousness, whatever that is, in the case of Russia it has many scars and it just can't be pretty, that's probably one of the reasons russians are attached to their literary cultural identity. I give them that, their literature is great, although it's problematic that so many russians still think that their culture is somehow superior to others.
- ivan_gammel 10y ago
  (ethnic minority and progressive here) This majority can pretty easily be convinced that everything you are mentioning is bad. They are not dumb, they are misguided and they have very poor political education. It's not their fault they behave so, it's the legacy, they have to live with. It will take a lot of time to convince them all that their current way of thought is not right, not good and do not serve their interests, but this sacrifice of time and effort may worth it - for future generations, at least. You may say that it's not your war and you'll be right. But forgive them for they see not the full picture (Luke 23:34).
prodmerc 10y ago
Nah, having lived in such a country (ex-USSR), I'm pretty confident to call most of who still lives there stupid as fuck in regards to the bigger picture. When you live with such people long enough but still can't understand what the flying fuck is everyone thinking, then it's either you're insane or them. Sometimes it turns out it's them. 50% of the world's population is literally dumber than the average.
- nazgul17 10y ago
  *than the median
  - carl_dr 10y ago
    * for IQ (a normal distribution), the mean and the median (and the mode for that matter) are the same number.
    - bskdjx 10y ago
      Except that IQ is only approximately normal at small deviations from the mean. Otherwise it's quite skewed I mean no one has IQ of -5.
      - mortehu 10y ago
        IQ is normally distributed by definition, not by some natural property of humans.
jimbokun 10y ago
" Don't be a dick because some people are less fortunate than you and didn't have an opportunity to learn critical thinking." This is just a bit more polite way of calling them stupid.
Sakes 10y ago
> I think the only thing toxic here is how you write and view other humans and your fellow countrymen as inferior beings. Eh, might be toxic. Might be a natural human response to seeing the majority of his countrymen accept propaganda without question. You don't know this guy. For me his comment read more like a frustrated individual than someone that thinks he is superior. I imagine similar trends can be found in many countries, including the US. The desire to belong is strong, and sometimes it's in our best interest to think less and cheer more.
jerry40 10y ago
This is exactly why here in Russia people generally do not like so called "liberals". Try to understand a person who feels himself as he's at the next evolution stage. There is no any chance that the majority votes for him or party he represents or supports. Unfortunately, such persons associate themself with democracy, what automatically discredits this word in our country.

hal9000xp 10y ago

This majority is totally fine to imprison unwanted minorities. This majority is totally fine to restrict my freedoms. This majority thinks they are right because they are majority. So in short, the majority asks me to sacrifice myself for their sake because I'm in minority and they are in majority. If so, f##k them! P.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_Shrugged

kovrik 10y ago
I have left my parents and many friends and colleagues in Russia. They all are kind and smart and good people. They just can't leave the country as I did: they don't want to, they are bound to their family, they have business there, they don't work in IT, they don't know English etc. The fact that you've left Russia is not making you `special` or `elite`. There are bad and stupid people everywhere, as well as good and smart and awesome people. World is not black and white.
- mickronome 10y ago
  Being part of a minority is not the same as being 'elite' or 'special' in the sense you seem to imply, and I can't see that the author claims to be part of some kind of elite either? What are you trying to say ?
Dolores12 10y ago
That's how democracy works. Are you against democracy?
- DrJokepu 10y ago
  There's a difference between democracy and ochlocracy ("mob rule").
  - rangibaby 10y ago
    It's democracy (with a small d) when I agree with it, ochlocracy when I don't?
    - DrJokepu 10y ago
      No, this is a rather cynical thing to say. In a free society, the rule of the people is only one of the pillars of freedom. Other pillars include the rule of law, certain inalienable rights, etc. Without these, the rule of the people descend into majoritianism or ochlocracy. The textbook example of ochlocracy is the French Revolution between the Insurrection of 10 August 1792 and the Thermidorian Reaction.
      - deleted 10y ago
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  - rhizome 10y ago
    Is the practical mechanism of ochlocracy that it's a democracy with sore winners?
- bzbarsky 10y ago
  Yes. Any thinking person should be against democracy in the sense of "any time we can get one vote over 50% for something we should pass the something". This is why the US government was set up with various undemocratic features. This is why there are things like constitutions that require supermajorities to modify. Protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority is one of the main purposes of good governmenance.
type0 10y ago
I think it is completely appalling how russian majority treats minorities, I'm not even talking about political parties or freedom of speech. Homosexuals and smaller ethnicities there are having hard time. A friend of mine lived in Russia, being half black - the constant racism from general populace forced him to leave. I like russian people but not russian society. Some psychologists say that societies have collective consciousness, whatever that is, in the case of Russia it has many scars and it just can't be pretty, that's probably one of the reasons russians are attached to their literary cultural identity. I give them that, their literature is great, although it's problematic that so many russians still think that their culture is somehow superior to others.
ivan_gammel 10y ago
(ethnic minority and progressive here) This majority can pretty easily be convinced that everything you are mentioning is bad. They are not dumb, they are misguided and they have very poor political education. It's not their fault they behave so, it's the legacy, they have to live with. It will take a lot of time to convince them all that their current way of thought is not right, not good and do not serve their interests, but this sacrifice of time and effort may worth it - for future generations, at least. You may say that it's not your war and you'll be right. But forgive them for they see not the full picture (Luke 23:34).

prodmerc 10y ago

Nah, having lived in such a country (ex-USSR), I'm pretty confident to call most of who still lives there stupid as fuck in regards to the bigger picture. When you live with such people long enough but still can't understand what the flying fuck is everyone thinking, then it's either you're insane or them. Sometimes it turns out it's them. 50% of the world's population is literally dumber than the average.

nazgul17 10y ago
*than the median
- carl_dr 10y ago
  * for IQ (a normal distribution), the mean and the median (and the mode for that matter) are the same number.
  - bskdjx 10y ago
    Except that IQ is only approximately normal at small deviations from the mean. Otherwise it's quite skewed I mean no one has IQ of -5.
    - mortehu 10y ago
      IQ is normally distributed by definition, not by some natural property of humans.

jimbokun 10y ago

" Don't be a dick because some people are less fortunate than you and didn't have an opportunity to learn critical thinking." This is just a bit more polite way of calling them stupid.

Sakes 10y ago

> I think the only thing toxic here is how you write and view other humans and your fellow countrymen as inferior beings. Eh, might be toxic. Might be a natural human response to seeing the majority of his countrymen accept propaganda without question. You don't know this guy. For me his comment read more like a frustrated individual than someone that thinks he is superior. I imagine similar trends can be found in many countries, including the US. The desire to belong is strong, and sometimes it's in our best interest to think less and cheer more.

jerry40 10y ago

This is exactly why here in Russia people generally do not like so called "liberals". Try to understand a person who feels himself as he's at the next evolution stage. There is no any chance that the majority votes for him or party he represents or supports. Unfortunately, such persons associate themself with democracy, what automatically discredits this word in our country.