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The only thing putting people at risk is portraying privacy as suspicious. Everyone should use a VPN.
by duaneb 10y ago
The only thing putting people at risk is portraying privacy as suspicious. Everyone should use a VPN.
- ryanlol 10y agoYeah right, because using PIA==privacy. How about we refer people to actual privacy tools like Tor instead?
- NetStrikeForce 10y agoTor has zero to do with privacy and everything to do with anonymity.
- 24gttghh 10y agoDoes anonymity not imply privacy?
- DiabloD3 10y agoNo, due to browsers leaking data and state actors controlling tor end points. They still know know someone out there is doing something, and can build ad profiles and threat profiles on them, they just can't link those profiles to you easily: that is anonymity. Privacy would be inability to build useful profiles.
- 24gttghh 10y agoInteresting. But if someone could remain anonymous, even with a profile being created for that "anonymous entity" and there is nothing tying that anonymous profile back to a real person, that would still seem to be private to me. If the anonymous profile could be connected to a real person, that would seem to be neither anonymous, nor private.
- duaneb 10y agoIs that ever possible? Every interaction is going to have side channels and fingerprints.
- DiabloD3 10y agoYou can't entirely defeat it, but you can eliminate, or disassociate, as many things as possible.
- ryanlol 10y agoMore so than PIA? Also make sure to tell the Tor project that, all of their marketing material disagrees with you.
- eeZah7Ux 10y agoNonsense. Protecting traffic from nosy ISPs and carriers is exactly privacy and it's one of Tor's stated goals.
- NetStrikeForce 10y agoPlaintext over Tor is still plaintext.
- eeZah7Ux 10y agoOf course, but your ISP is not going to read it.
- duaneb 10y agoThere is no single method of protecting privacy; VPNs are privacy against commercial-level actors. Tor has its own bounds, but people should use that, too. I generally think the internet is barely usable over TOR, but I don't need state-level privacy. My point being is that these are valid tools with valid uses, and people should understand and use them, NOT that VPNs are anything other than a way of encrypting and proxying traffic.
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago>I generally think the internet is barely usable over TOR // I've only used tor browser (adding to the noise!), nothing beyond web. Could you go in to what makes the internet "barely usable" over TOR, do you mean speed or is there other things you're trying to accomplish that can't be done?
- duaneb 10y agoIt's really just a speed thing—it's not worth the anonymity tradeoff for me. Of course, maybe I should put my money where my mouth is and use it to improve it for people who DO find the tradeoff worth it.