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What if your "landlord" (and by landlord I mean your buddy who is letting you stay in his apartment complex free of charge other than making you read through th

by tw04 10y ago

What if your "landlord" (and by landlord I mean your buddy who is letting you stay in his apartment complex free of charge other than making you read through the occasional newspaper flier) cut off access to your apartment, and everything inside, because you happened to have a raging house party that encompassed the entire 20th floor of his building. None of those apartments were occupied so you just broke down the doors and let people run wild. They destroyed pretty much every apartment on the floor. Would you expect that to happen? Would you want a lot of sympathy from other people because he just cut you off without prior warning? No? The whole thing is terrible only in the way that people like this and the dealer who buy up products that are high in demand and low in supply are the scum of the earth. They provide absolutely no value to the supply chain and make life more difficult for honest buyers.

Mithaldu 10y ago
Equating "life more difficult" with "destroying apartments" is silly.
- tw04 10y ago
  Equating "copy of my data" with "my housing situation" is even more silly. Google isn't TAKING anything from you by locking the account, they are simply destroying what should be one of many COPIES of your data.
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    Sorry, but you misread that, the housing situation comes into play by way of gmail also being a mailing receipt address and key for many locks.
    - tw04 10y ago
      This would be the equivalent of you putting your key in a mailbox on the corner that you don't own, free of use, with no guarantees around it being there at any point in time. One day you go to grab your key and it's gone. Who's at fault? Google LITERALLY tells you in the TOS that you both don't own any content served up by their platform, and that they may suspend you at any time they choose. >We may suspend or stop providing our Services to you if you do not comply with our terms or policies or if we are investigating suspected misconduct. >Using our Services does not give you ownership of any intellectual property rights in our Services or the content you access. If that's where you're storing your "key" - you should probably re-evaluate your personal storage policies.
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        Look, i could try and explain this all in detail, but i'm tired of it. You're acting the same as Google. Cold logic, zero humanity. Go hug someone you care about. Maybe even a child or someone elder. Then run through through your head how it would feel telling them what you said.
snowwrestler 10y ago
Even under the worst lease violations you can think of, it is illegal for a landlord to keep your stuff. They can throw it out on the curb, but they cannot keep it. Google not only cut off services, they cut off access to remove users' content. I don't see how that is defensible.
- tw04 10y ago
  They cut off access to a COPY of a users content. They didn't TAKE anything from a user. If, in 2016, you're relying on a free service as your only copy of important data, you're a fool. Countless governments across the world could literally, without any notice, delete all of your data at the drop of a hat on ANY public service. See: megaupload. It's not the job of a free service provider, who literally makes 0 promises of data integrity, to provide you unlimited access to your data until the end of time.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    "You don't need to worry about keeping your data anywhere else" is the heart of Google's pitch for all their services, including Gmail, Docs, Drive, and most recently Photos. I mean, the ads for Photos are literally people feeling better knowing that their stuff is safely stored with Google. It seems reasonable to hold Google responsible for what they say.
    - chebum 10y ago
      Google quite frequently lose photos people store with their services: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/QuKiYjKCXPM https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/QuKiYj... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/bNSFIy0Mx0Q https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/bNSFIy... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/photos/7Xf0Cj6_ixU/1JbVu4fbCAAJ https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/photos/7Xf0Cj6_... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/njdwFPaqSeo https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/njdwFPaq... Personally, I lost photos of my kid's Sep 1.

by tw04 10y ago

Mithaldu 10y ago

Equating "life more difficult" with "destroying apartments" is silly.

tw04 10y ago
Equating "copy of my data" with "my housing situation" is even more silly. Google isn't TAKING anything from you by locking the account, they are simply destroying what should be one of many COPIES of your data.
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  Sorry, but you misread that, the housing situation comes into play by way of gmail also being a mailing receipt address and key for many locks.
  - tw04 10y ago
    This would be the equivalent of you putting your key in a mailbox on the corner that you don't own, free of use, with no guarantees around it being there at any point in time. One day you go to grab your key and it's gone. Who's at fault? Google LITERALLY tells you in the TOS that you both don't own any content served up by their platform, and that they may suspend you at any time they choose. >We may suspend or stop providing our Services to you if you do not comply with our terms or policies or if we are investigating suspected misconduct. >Using our Services does not give you ownership of any intellectual property rights in our Services or the content you access. If that's where you're storing your "key" - you should probably re-evaluate your personal storage policies.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      Look, i could try and explain this all in detail, but i'm tired of it. You're acting the same as Google. Cold logic, zero humanity. Go hug someone you care about. Maybe even a child or someone elder. Then run through through your head how it would feel telling them what you said.

snowwrestler 10y ago

Even under the worst lease violations you can think of, it is illegal for a landlord to keep your stuff. They can throw it out on the curb, but they cannot keep it. Google not only cut off services, they cut off access to remove users' content. I don't see how that is defensible.

tw04 10y ago
They cut off access to a COPY of a users content. They didn't TAKE anything from a user. If, in 2016, you're relying on a free service as your only copy of important data, you're a fool. Countless governments across the world could literally, without any notice, delete all of your data at the drop of a hat on ANY public service. See: megaupload. It's not the job of a free service provider, who literally makes 0 promises of data integrity, to provide you unlimited access to your data until the end of time.
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  "You don't need to worry about keeping your data anywhere else" is the heart of Google's pitch for all their services, including Gmail, Docs, Drive, and most recently Photos. I mean, the ads for Photos are literally people feeling better knowing that their stuff is safely stored with Google. It seems reasonable to hold Google responsible for what they say.
  - chebum 10y ago
    Google quite frequently lose photos people store with their services: https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/QuKiYjKCXPM https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/QuKiYj... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/bNSFIy0Mx0Q https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/photos/bNSFIy... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/photos/7Xf0Cj6_ixU/1JbVu4fbCAAJ https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/photos/7Xf0Cj6_... https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/njdwFPaqSeo https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/maps/njdwFPaq... Personally, I lost photos of my kid's Sep 1.