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Trump said that illegal immigrants are "rapists and murderers and some good people", "not their best people". You can disagree strongly with Trump's claims abo

by gohrt 10y ago

Trump said that illegal immigrants are "rapists and murderers and some good people", "not their best people". You can disagree strongly with Trump's claims about what motivates illegal immigration, but Trump's stated view is not racist: he discriminated between two groups within a single race, and did not distinguish between races.

colemickens 10y ago
This is some amazing mental gymnastics here, wew. ""White people are racist, ignorant assholes, except for some of them."" ^^ I'm sure this comment will do well!
- adventured 10y ago
  Variations of that statement are commonly being written or voiced in the mainstream media post election. So apparently it does do well. Van Jones, on national TV, called it "whitelash" and openly described Trump's election as a racist response to Obama's Presidency. The post election has been one mainstream media tirade after another about the racist white voters.
- andrewchambers 10y ago
  That is so wrong, a better quote would be: "The illegal French immigrants are ignorant assholes, except for some of them". The key differences are - Not all, the illegal immigrants. And Mexican, like French is a Nationality and not a race.
  - atomi 10y ago
    The alt-right gained most of it's momentum during Trump's campaign. You think that's a coincidence? And this, "it's a nationality not a race' is hardly a good reason to denigrate an entire people.
    - andrewchambers 10y ago
      People keep saying he denigrated all mexicans... He didn't, he denigrated illegal immigrants. Unless you are implying all Mexicans are illegal immigrants? I don't even like trump but this kind of nonsense makes me defend him.
      - carapace 10y ago
        And when he said that judge couldn't be impartial due to his ethnic background, who was he denigrating?
        andrewchambers 10y ago
        That's not because the judge is Mexican, that's because the judge is human and a huge propaganda machine was working against Trump telling everyone that he hates the judges culture. I don't know how impartial I would be if i thought I was ruling against a hardcore racist who hates my culture.
        carapace 10y ago
        Well, I hope you're not a Judge then, eh? ;-) (You're supposed to recuse yourself in a situation like that, you know.) Even if he was trying to impugn human nature and not Mexicans, he's still saying that race trumps Justice (in the person of the Judge.) That's not the values I want my President to treat as normal, because it effectively promotes racialism. Certainly his election has already emboldened racists to make physical and verbal attacks across the country. Do I care if he's really racist or not?
- Chris2048 10y ago
  Fair enough, still more lenient than the average leftist view that omits the "except for some of them".
  - colemickens 10y ago
    Sure buddy, sure.
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      Yeah right, pal.

by gohrt 10y ago

colemickens 10y ago

This is some amazing mental gymnastics here, wew. ""White people are racist, ignorant assholes, except for some of them."" ^^ I'm sure this comment will do well!

adventured 10y ago
Variations of that statement are commonly being written or voiced in the mainstream media post election. So apparently it does do well. Van Jones, on national TV, called it "whitelash" and openly described Trump's election as a racist response to Obama's Presidency. The post election has been one mainstream media tirade after another about the racist white voters.
andrewchambers 10y ago
That is so wrong, a better quote would be: "The illegal French immigrants are ignorant assholes, except for some of them". The key differences are - Not all, the illegal immigrants. And Mexican, like French is a Nationality and not a race.
- atomi 10y ago
  The alt-right gained most of it's momentum during Trump's campaign. You think that's a coincidence? And this, "it's a nationality not a race' is hardly a good reason to denigrate an entire people.
  - andrewchambers 10y ago
    People keep saying he denigrated all mexicans... He didn't, he denigrated illegal immigrants. Unless you are implying all Mexicans are illegal immigrants? I don't even like trump but this kind of nonsense makes me defend him.
    - carapace 10y ago
      And when he said that judge couldn't be impartial due to his ethnic background, who was he denigrating?
      - andrewchambers 10y ago
        That's not because the judge is Mexican, that's because the judge is human and a huge propaganda machine was working against Trump telling everyone that he hates the judges culture. I don't know how impartial I would be if i thought I was ruling against a hardcore racist who hates my culture.
        carapace 10y ago
        Well, I hope you're not a Judge then, eh? ;-) (You're supposed to recuse yourself in a situation like that, you know.) Even if he was trying to impugn human nature and not Mexicans, he's still saying that race trumps Justice (in the person of the Judge.) That's not the values I want my President to treat as normal, because it effectively promotes racialism. Certainly his election has already emboldened racists to make physical and verbal attacks across the country. Do I care if he's really racist or not?
Chris2048 10y ago
Fair enough, still more lenient than the average leftist view that omits the "except for some of them".
- colemickens 10y ago
  Sure buddy, sure.
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    Yeah right, pal.