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by jbpetersen 10y ago

bpicolo 10y ago
He's a climate change denier, it would appear.
- lxmorj 10y ago
  An outright denier, or a fuck-it-lets-solve-it-with-cool-shit-like-venentian-blind-satellite-swarms sort of guy?
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  - pjscott 10y ago
    The kind who hasn't stated a confident opinion on the matter, but is suspicious about how politicized the discussion is.
  - borramakot 10y ago
    The most clear statement from him I'm aware of is "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." 1:15 PM - 6 Nov 2012.
    - pjscott 10y ago
      To be clear, that's a quote from Donald Trump -- not Peter Thiel.
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  - thesimpsons1022 10y ago
    this type: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...
randycupertino 10y ago
He doesn't believe in global warming, for one.
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  I'm sorry, what?!
  - yolesaber 10y ago
    https://youtu.be/CoxxGhLFbw4?t=2m30s https://youtu.be/CoxxGhLFbw4?t=2m30s He argues that "climate science" is not real science because it has "science" in the name. I'm serious.
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      Hmm so in that case, "political science", "materials science", "veterinary science", "biomedical science", "actuarial science", etc. etc. are all not "real" science. Very convincing argument, I have to say.
      - kafkaesq 10y ago
        His whole reasoning in that section in the video is just stilly. The reason some subjects have "science" in them and others don't is usually just a matter of convention or linguistic accident -- it really doesn't have that much import (and in any case, no bearing at all on the substantive issues behind climate change). And yet, he's trying to draw the conclusion that there's some kind of a deep, revealing "tell" behind it. Pseudo-intellectual tripe which we're supposed to take seriously (because he's a billionaire, I guess).
      - pjscott 10y ago
        He says that "it's often a tell that they're bluffing," which is a far cry from the universal condemnation of anything with 'science' in the name that you seem to be assuming. Please make an attempt to understand, then argue.
ch4s3 10y ago
He thinks women shouldn't be able to vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_us_5747079be4b03ede4413f6f5 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democr...
- BurningFrog 10y ago
  That's a lie, as even your own link confirms.
- akamaka 10y ago
  I looked at your article and it seems he's just saying that when women were enfranchised, the type of democracy we had became less supportive of libertarianism. I have no idea whether that's true or not, but misquoting him is not contributing to an intelligent dialogue.
  - Dagwoodie 10y ago
    That quote follows Thiel around on here. Someone always brings it up as damning, even though Thiel's statement is a bit vague and likely exactly what you stated.
  - jacalata 10y ago
    He thinks the world would be better if women couldn't vote, but it is too late to take it away from them.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      Yup, that's the gist people should be taking from it. And it's pretty darn stomach-turning and creepy, any way you slice it.
  - ch4s3 10y ago
    I didn't quote him, I made an assumption about the quote. He said the country was better before women got the vote. He doesn't say that libertarians should try to figure out how to earn women's vote, but rather that women don't vote for libertarian policies/candidates and that is in his view the problem. Its a very short logical jump to infer that he thinks women shouldn't vote. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure he's ever corrected this misunderstanding, if it is in fact a misrepresentation of his true opinion.
bqe 10y ago
Peter Thiel wrote a book called The Diversity Myth where he said that race mixing would destroy white culture. Here's a list of more of his extreme views: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/the-strange-politics-of-peter-thiel-trump-s-most-unlikely-supporter http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/the-strang...
- edblarney 10y ago
  "Peter Thiel wrote a book called The Diversity Myth where he said that race mixing would destroy white culture" This is a lie, and it's exactly the kind of lie that Thiel is trying to call out as insufferable oppression on campus and in intellectual discussion. Having lived in very 'multicultural' places, and fairly homogeneous places, it's clear to me that there are both advantages and disadvantages to each - and to quash all discussion in one direction is totalitarian and oppressive. Japan is the most orderly and civilized place on planet earth and it has a lot to do with the homogenous nature of their culture. Nordic countries, though they are 'intellectually liberal' - are culturally extremely conservative and traditional and 'homogenous' in culture and thinking, and this is one of the key ingredients to their social successes, and why simple socialist policies will not reproduce what they have. Sweden has a very popular Monarchy, and official religion (Christianity), a state Church into which 1% of tax revenues goes. Of course they are not very religious at all, but can you imagine a 'state religion' in America? And 1% of taxes going to it? That would be considered 'extreme, extreme right wing' - and yet it is a very real fact in Sweden. It's one piece of the 'underlying base social fabric' there. I'm not arguing for or against multiculturalism, other than to say there are many drawbacks of multiculturalism, and that in North America especially there is a vicious oppression of ideas and debate in this area, fostered by comments such as the one you made. The issue obviously can be commandeered by populists racists (which is scary), but it never gets that far because someone yells 'racist' and shuts down all intelligent thinking. I grew up in very Multicultural Toronto and thought it was superior. After living around the world I now live in a very 'Quebecois' part of Montreal that is nearly homogenous - and though I'm definitely a 'minority' and not part of that culture, I like it much better. People here are happy, civil, and there is a sense of community that absolutely does not exist in Toronto or Vancouver (or San Francisco, for that matter). So enough with the knee-jerk reactionary hyperbole, try to allow for a little more nuance in issues like this.
minikites 10y ago
He's essentially a vampire: http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.html http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.ht... http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-... http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-...
- minikites 10y ago
  To the downvoters who seem to think I used that word in jest: > A vampire is a being from folklore who subsists by feeding on the life essence (generally in the form of blood) of the living. The desire to extend your life at the expense of other people is incredibly disturbing to me and I'm not sure how it's a defensible position.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    The desire to extend your life at the expense of other people is incredibly disturbing to me and I'm not sure how it's a defensible position. They'll be getting some burrito money in return. So don't say it's not a fair trade.
kafkaesq 10y ago
In addition to what others have said: His head-over-heels support for a decidedly anti-libertarian candidate like Trump is in itself quite extremist. This has always been one of the standard tools for (crypto-)fascists and closet authoritarians of all ilks to get into positions of influence -- by using people of nominally "opposing" viewpoints as, in effect, wedge instruments to disrupt the system as violently as possible -- and then step into the emergent vacuum. And somewhat secondarily, there are the antics of his pals at the Seasteading Institute in blatantly courting partnership with the government in Honduras (basically the most murderous government left in the hemisphere) in order to set up a libertarian microstate in the heart of certain piece of "jungle" that just so happens to also be claimed by one of the region's poorest and most ill-treated ethnic groups. Thiel's own role in this venture (if any) is unclear -- but his association with the SSI (and the principle actors in this "venture") is well-established.
- gnarbarian 10y ago
  You can't call trump an extremist when half the country voted for him.
  - ArkyBeagle 10y ago
    This country was founded by extremists.
  - Jtsummers 10y ago
    1) Seems a bit strong to tell someone what they can and can't say. 2) He didn't get half the country to vote for him. It looks like around 55-60% of voters turned out this year (the whole tally isn't calculated yet). Of those, he got less than 50% (as Clinton got more votes than him). So at best he seems to have gotten around 30% of the voters to vote for him. Not everyone is a voter (age, other disqualifying factors). So even if he had somehow gotten 50% of voters (which, again, he didn't), he'd still have less than half the country voting for him.
    - wtbob 10y ago
      > Of those, he got less than 50% (as Clinton got more votes than him). Mrs. Clinton also got less than 50% of the votes. Neither one won a clear majority of the popular vote.

Any specific highlights?

bpicolo 10y ago

He's a climate change denier, it would appear.

lxmorj 10y ago
An outright denier, or a fuck-it-lets-solve-it-with-cool-shit-like-venentian-blind-satellite-swarms sort of guy?
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- pjscott 10y ago
  The kind who hasn't stated a confident opinion on the matter, but is suspicious about how politicized the discussion is.
- borramakot 10y ago
  The most clear statement from him I'm aware of is "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." 1:15 PM - 6 Nov 2012.
  - pjscott 10y ago
    To be clear, that's a quote from Donald Trump -- not Peter Thiel.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
- thesimpsons1022 10y ago
  this type: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/26589529219124838...

randycupertino 10y ago

He doesn't believe in global warming, for one.

Cyph0n 10y ago
I'm sorry, what?!
- yolesaber 10y ago
  https://youtu.be/CoxxGhLFbw4?t=2m30s https://youtu.be/CoxxGhLFbw4?t=2m30s He argues that "climate science" is not real science because it has "science" in the name. I'm serious.
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    Hmm so in that case, "political science", "materials science", "veterinary science", "biomedical science", "actuarial science", etc. etc. are all not "real" science. Very convincing argument, I have to say.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      His whole reasoning in that section in the video is just stilly. The reason some subjects have "science" in them and others don't is usually just a matter of convention or linguistic accident -- it really doesn't have that much import (and in any case, no bearing at all on the substantive issues behind climate change). And yet, he's trying to draw the conclusion that there's some kind of a deep, revealing "tell" behind it. Pseudo-intellectual tripe which we're supposed to take seriously (because he's a billionaire, I guess).
    - pjscott 10y ago
      He says that "it's often a tell that they're bluffing," which is a far cry from the universal condemnation of anything with 'science' in the name that you seem to be assuming. Please make an attempt to understand, then argue.

ch4s3 10y ago

He thinks women shouldn't be able to vote. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democracy_us_5747079be4b03ede4413f6f5 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/peter-thiel-women-democr...

BurningFrog 10y ago
That's a lie, as even your own link confirms.
akamaka 10y ago
I looked at your article and it seems he's just saying that when women were enfranchised, the type of democracy we had became less supportive of libertarianism. I have no idea whether that's true or not, but misquoting him is not contributing to an intelligent dialogue.
- Dagwoodie 10y ago
  That quote follows Thiel around on here. Someone always brings it up as damning, even though Thiel's statement is a bit vague and likely exactly what you stated.
- jacalata 10y ago
  He thinks the world would be better if women couldn't vote, but it is too late to take it away from them.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    Yup, that's the gist people should be taking from it. And it's pretty darn stomach-turning and creepy, any way you slice it.
- ch4s3 10y ago
  I didn't quote him, I made an assumption about the quote. He said the country was better before women got the vote. He doesn't say that libertarians should try to figure out how to earn women's vote, but rather that women don't vote for libertarian policies/candidates and that is in his view the problem. Its a very short logical jump to infer that he thinks women shouldn't vote. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not sure he's ever corrected this misunderstanding, if it is in fact a misrepresentation of his true opinion.

bqe 10y ago

Peter Thiel wrote a book called The Diversity Myth where he said that race mixing would destroy white culture. Here's a list of more of his extreme views: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/the-strange-politics-of-peter-thiel-trump-s-most-unlikely-supporter http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/the-strang...

edblarney 10y ago
"Peter Thiel wrote a book called The Diversity Myth where he said that race mixing would destroy white culture" This is a lie, and it's exactly the kind of lie that Thiel is trying to call out as insufferable oppression on campus and in intellectual discussion. Having lived in very 'multicultural' places, and fairly homogeneous places, it's clear to me that there are both advantages and disadvantages to each - and to quash all discussion in one direction is totalitarian and oppressive. Japan is the most orderly and civilized place on planet earth and it has a lot to do with the homogenous nature of their culture. Nordic countries, though they are 'intellectually liberal' - are culturally extremely conservative and traditional and 'homogenous' in culture and thinking, and this is one of the key ingredients to their social successes, and why simple socialist policies will not reproduce what they have. Sweden has a very popular Monarchy, and official religion (Christianity), a state Church into which 1% of tax revenues goes. Of course they are not very religious at all, but can you imagine a 'state religion' in America? And 1% of taxes going to it? That would be considered 'extreme, extreme right wing' - and yet it is a very real fact in Sweden. It's one piece of the 'underlying base social fabric' there. I'm not arguing for or against multiculturalism, other than to say there are many drawbacks of multiculturalism, and that in North America especially there is a vicious oppression of ideas and debate in this area, fostered by comments such as the one you made. The issue obviously can be commandeered by populists racists (which is scary), but it never gets that far because someone yells 'racist' and shuts down all intelligent thinking. I grew up in very Multicultural Toronto and thought it was superior. After living around the world I now live in a very 'Quebecois' part of Montreal that is nearly homogenous - and though I'm definitely a 'minority' and not part of that culture, I like it much better. People here are happy, civil, and there is a sense of community that absolutely does not exist in Toronto or Vancouver (or San Francisco, for that matter). So enough with the knee-jerk reactionary hyperbole, try to allow for a little more nuance in issues like this.

minikites 10y ago

He's essentially a vampire: http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.html http://www.inc.com/jeff-bercovici/peter-thiel-young-blood.ht... http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-... http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-is-out-for-young-peoples-blood/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2016/08/02/peter-thiel-...

minikites 10y ago
To the downvoters who seem to think I used that word in jest: > A vampire is a being from folklore who subsists by feeding on the life essence (generally in the form of blood) of the living. The desire to extend your life at the expense of other people is incredibly disturbing to me and I'm not sure how it's a defensible position.
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  The desire to extend your life at the expense of other people is incredibly disturbing to me and I'm not sure how it's a defensible position. They'll be getting some burrito money in return. So don't say it's not a fair trade.

kafkaesq 10y ago

In addition to what others have said: His head-over-heels support for a decidedly anti-libertarian candidate like Trump is in itself quite extremist. This has always been one of the standard tools for (crypto-)fascists and closet authoritarians of all ilks to get into positions of influence -- by using people of nominally "opposing" viewpoints as, in effect, wedge instruments to disrupt the system as violently as possible -- and then step into the emergent vacuum. And somewhat secondarily, there are the antics of his pals at the Seasteading Institute in blatantly courting partnership with the government in Honduras (basically the most murderous government left in the hemisphere) in order to set up a libertarian microstate in the heart of certain piece of "jungle" that just so happens to also be claimed by one of the region's poorest and most ill-treated ethnic groups. Thiel's own role in this venture (if any) is unclear -- but his association with the SSI (and the principle actors in this "venture") is well-established.

gnarbarian 10y ago
You can't call trump an extremist when half the country voted for him.
- ArkyBeagle 10y ago
  This country was founded by extremists.
- Jtsummers 10y ago
  1) Seems a bit strong to tell someone what they can and can't say. 2) He didn't get half the country to vote for him. It looks like around 55-60% of voters turned out this year (the whole tally isn't calculated yet). Of those, he got less than 50% (as Clinton got more votes than him). So at best he seems to have gotten around 30% of the voters to vote for him. Not everyone is a voter (age, other disqualifying factors). So even if he had somehow gotten 50% of voters (which, again, he didn't), he'd still have less than half the country voting for him.
  - wtbob 10y ago
    > Of those, he got less than 50% (as Clinton got more votes than him). Mrs. Clinton also got less than 50% of the votes. Neither one won a clear majority of the popular vote.