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> To be really blunt, Trump's entire track record says "if you're white and wealthy, I've obviously got your back", and his words have said, "if you're white an
by hubert123 10y ago
> To be really blunt, Trump's entire track record says "if you're white and wealthy, I've obviously got your back", and his words have said, "if you're white and struggling, it's brown people who stand in your way". In that way, he's managed to get an extremely energetic white vote.
yeah and exactly because of this kind of insane, bogus "analysis" you lost.
When or if you find back the connection to reality, you will realize how Trump actually won. By talking about real issues that nobody else even dares to touch.
- dibstern 10y agoWhat 'real issues' are you talking about? What was anyone else scared at all to touch?
- problems 10y agoI assume he's referring to a lot of blue collar workers getting the shit end of the stick on trade deals. It's the rust belt that carried him to the presidency after all.
- SolarUpNote 10y agoWhat's an issue that Trump talks about?
- M_Grey 10y agoThe only pleasure I'm going to take in this mess, is that people who think like you are representative of the population who will be crushed under Trump and the GOP congresses' boots. You think it's bad now, wait until you see what's coming.
- tobltobs 10y agoBut those simpletons will then not assign blame to the new overlord or to themselves. The culprits will be immigrants, jews, muslims, environmental activists, journalists or whatever they don't like.
- victorbojica 10y agoyeah, like NATO disruption and how he admires Putin ?
- teekert 10y agoI think admiration goes a bit far, but and even if he does, it's far better than the default "Russians are bad mmmkay" attitude that most politicians have. There is a real opportunity for nice relations with Russia here. As a European I prefer it much to the war mongering of Kelly that damaged Russian and European business and relations and just fosters hate.
- zn44 10y agoBy nice relations you mean: sure take Ukraine and we don't care about Baltic states?
- rdtsc 10y agoWhy doesn't EU take care of that? They are closer, it is right in their backyard it affects them more?
- teekert 10y agoThe EU is already taking Ukraine. Not by force but by politics, we already helped Poroshenko in place there. too bad some countries prefer not to associate with corruption ridden Ukraine [0]. But hey, EU leaders usually don't care what voters think (we got the Treaty of Lisbon after we voted no on the EU constitution). [0] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35976086
- zn44 10y agoEU surprisingly did take strong position when Ukraine crisis started. Only way EU countries can stand against Russia is if they have backing of NATO. Without this noone will take the risk.
- dancryer 10y ago
- victorbojica 10y agoyeah, like NATO disruption and how he admires Putin ?
- pmoriarty 10y agoSince when were American politics about issues rather than image? People who voted for Trump clearly liked his bombastic asshole style, and want to stick it to the "liberal elite". There happened to be more of them this time around than there were people afraid enough of a Trump presidency to vote for a relatively subdued and conventional candidate. That's, of course, given that there wasn't enough voting fraud to make a difference, which with electronic voting machines in the mix isn't really a given.
- inimino 10y agoClinton underperformed her polling pretty consistently across the country. That pretty much rules out any kind of voter fraud as an explanation.
- pmoriarty 10y agoPollers have been spectacularly wrong before.. coming out with some really sorry and unbelievable excuses for their errors. Voters somehow seem to swallow them, however. So the spectacle continues.
- hubert123 10y agoWith some glee I have saved a screenshot from the huffpo website, confidently putting Trump's chances at about 1.7% I think it was.
- paulddraper 10y agoPlease share.
- tutts 10y ago>Since when were American politics about issues rather than image? Since today, apparently.
- reitanqild 10y ago
- Scarblac 10y agoThose are the real issues that were discussed. People talk as if it's normal that blacks and latinos mostly vote as a block, well now white working class does as well.
- rdtsc 10y agoExactly. And now it is wrong that blue collar workers from fly-over states have voted as a block. Yet nobody questions Hillary for organizing a rap concert to attract African American voters and expecting them to vote as a block. Most of all, I think they would be surprised to find out how many Bernie Sanders supporters have switched to Trump. Some I imagine will never admit it to their co-workers or friends, but I know many have never forgot being back-stabbed. The funny thing is, the Democrats could have easily win this. They screwed up so badly, multiple times in a row, despite all the media help, and all the money donated to them, all the help from the DOJ and POTUS.
- neaanopri 10y agoWell the image of the establishment lining up against trump was one of his greatest gifts.
- digler999 10y ago> They screwed up so badly, multiple times in a row I hope one of the things they learned about this was that negative campaign ads dont work. I dont want to hear what shocking, Bad Thing the other guy said. In a 30 second radio spot, tell me what you're going to do, why that will help, and how its better than the way the opponent will handle it. You can only smear dirt on a surface once.
- denzil_correa 10y ago> By talking about real issues that nobody else even dares to touch. Curious - What were these real issues?
- ubernostrum 10y agoWhen or if you find back the connection to reality, you will realize how Trump actually won. Trump won by appealing to people who historically felt they were and deserved to be the in-control majority but now feel they are the not-in-control minority, and he won by claiming he would make them feel like an in-control majority again. It is that simple. It is also simply the case that the people who historically felt they were and deserved to be the in-control majority were white men. Populism in American politics is nothing new. Nor is populism oriented on racial lines. There is no secret "untouchable" issue lurking behind it. You pick a large group, capable of forming a powerful voting bloc, a group that believes it has reason to feel resentful, to feel cheated out of power that's rightfully theirs, to feel that "elites" are conspiring against them to ruin the country, and you tell them they deserve power and you're going to give it back to them. Exactly 120 years ago, William Jennings Bryan ran on a similar platform of "restoring" political and economic power to people who felt they once had it, lost it, and deserved to have it once again. In the process he delivered one of the objectively greatest political addresses in American history (the "Cross of Gold" speech). The only difference is Bryan lost the electoral college by about the same margin Trump won it by.
- hubert123 10y agoWell you're wrong, what else can I say. You think you are so right that anything that disagrees with your position must be a racial power issue. It just isn't like that. It is definitely part of it - dont get me wrong, but the much much bigger part is actual policy issues.
- ubernostrum 10y agoWell you're wrong, what else can I say. An articulate and well-reasoned rebuttal. You think you are so right that anything that disagrees with your position must be a racial power issue. I think I've read my history book. I think this has happened before. I think the economic system that working-class white people without college degrees favor is one that only worked so long as people with the "wrong" skin color were either held in literal bondage or legally prohibited from competing with people who had the "right" skin color. I think the past century has seen an enormous effort to tear down the system which protected those white working-class non-college-educated people from competition, on grounds that this sort of protectionism is morally odious. I think the "economic anxiety" of Trump voters is nothing more than a yearning for a return to that sort of protectionism. I think it's possible many of them are viewing history through extremely rose-colored glasses in order not to see the magnitude of the evil that had to be perpetrated to maintain their position, but that doesn't excuse it.
- komali2 10y agoTrump won because: >I tried to talk about good roads and good schools and all these things that have been part of my career, and nobody listened. And then I began talking about n*, and they stomped the floor. -George Wallace He took a very simple road. He appealed to the fear of the Other.
- sharemywin 10y agoThe problem with your analysis, he didn't pull any more voters than Romney. He didn't win, Hillary lost.
- discardorama 10y ago> Trump actually won. By talking about real issues that nobody else even dares to touch. Like Obama's birth certificate? Or Benghazi?
- popmystack 10y ago> By talking about real issues that nobody else even dares to touch. Please enumerate them in a coherent fashion.