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Not surprised; a day of reckoning was bound to come for the left. Consider that even if Trump had lost, his power base would still have existed afterward. Tru

Not surprised; a day of reckoning was bound to come for the left. Consider that even if Trump had lost, his power base would still have existed afterward. Trump is not the problem, Trump is a symptom. The American left took its eyes off of what's important, namely the working class, and instead spent its time and political capital on frivolous[0] causes. This is a wake-up call to refocus. [0] Lots of things some might consider important are frivolous when you're living paycheck-to-paycheck.

ant6n 10y ago
Except ... how the fuck is Trump going to help those people. It's like those poor, white, rural (, racist) working class folks are eating their face to spite their face.
- Mathnerd314 10y ago
  Trump has words ("the best words"). The words will inspire Congress to pass laws. The laws will (in theory) help the people. Trump will continue traveling around the country, and report back to Congress what is or is not working. Beyond that it's difficult to say, Trump has promised little but hinted at a lot.
- Inconel 10y ago
  I imagine at the very least he won't treat them with open contempt and hostility. That probably goes a long way for some of these voters. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I do live in coastal California, and the absolute derision with which I see relatively privileged, affluent, college educated people treat or talk about the working/rural poor in "flyover" country makes me question whether, despite my current views, I too wouldn't vote Trump if I found myself on the receiving end of such hostility.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    > I imagine at the very least he won't treat them with open contempt and hostility As long as you're white, male, hetero, anti-intelectual, Christian, and not born in another country. EDIT: it seems that people are really sensitive about being called out for all the hate Trump spews in their name.
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- RandomOpinion 10y ago
  Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites support Trump in about equal numbers and about 1/3 of college graduates and postgraduates support Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/the-demographic-groups-fueling-the-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...
  - coderdude 10y ago
    Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.
    - RandomOpinion 10y ago
      You'd be surprised. The left is no more unified that the right, in many ways, and members of the mainstream left have been cautioning against this derisive labeling issue for quite some time now. See, for example, Rensin's "The smug style in American liberalism" linked to on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004
      - coderdude 10y ago
        Interesting. I'll check it out.
        throwanem 10y ago
        It's a good article. If modern progressivism were remotely at home to wisdom of the sort it offers, I wouldn't have cast a ballot for Trump today.
- matwood 10y ago
  For starters he didn't walk around calling them uneducated idiots like many on the left have and continue to do. Bernie and Trump are touching into the same underlying problem that a lot of people have been left behind. They have felt screwed by the system for awhile and this is what we get. Heck, Bernie supporters got screwed again during the primary. This is also only the start. Wait until we automate all fast food and driving jobs to see what a angry, jobless populace looks like.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    Clinton called somebody idiots? I thought she only called Trump an idiot. Which doesn't seem like an unfair assessment. I mean as far as name-calling goes, I got the impression Hillary is doing almost none of that; whereas Trump was vicious.
    - flukus 10y ago
      Remember when she called them a "bag of deplorables"? Not that trump was exactly statesman like, but I don't remember him insulting Clinton supporters, just Clinton herself.
      - ant6n 10y ago
        “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. “Some of those folks,” she added, “they are irredeemable.”
- basch 10y ago
  for lack of better terms, relevantly speaking, doesnt collapsing robber baron portfolios reduce wealth inequality?
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basch 10y ago
This isnt a day of reckoning for the Left. He hijacked the GOP against its own will and destroyed the DNC. That's a collapse of two establishment parties, not one.

ant6n 10y ago

Except ... how the fuck is Trump going to help those people. It's like those poor, white, rural (, racist) working class folks are eating their face to spite their face.

Mathnerd314 10y ago
Trump has words ("the best words"). The words will inspire Congress to pass laws. The laws will (in theory) help the people. Trump will continue traveling around the country, and report back to Congress what is or is not working. Beyond that it's difficult to say, Trump has promised little but hinted at a lot.
Inconel 10y ago
I imagine at the very least he won't treat them with open contempt and hostility. That probably goes a long way for some of these voters. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I do live in coastal California, and the absolute derision with which I see relatively privileged, affluent, college educated people treat or talk about the working/rural poor in "flyover" country makes me question whether, despite my current views, I too wouldn't vote Trump if I found myself on the receiving end of such hostility.
- ant6n 10y ago
  > I imagine at the very least he won't treat them with open contempt and hostility As long as you're white, male, hetero, anti-intelectual, Christian, and not born in another country. EDIT: it seems that people are really sensitive about being called out for all the hate Trump spews in their name.
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RandomOpinion 10y ago
Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites support Trump in about equal numbers and about 1/3 of college graduates and postgraduates support Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/the-demographic-groups-fueling-the-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...
- coderdude 10y ago
  Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.
  - RandomOpinion 10y ago
    You'd be surprised. The left is no more unified that the right, in many ways, and members of the mainstream left have been cautioning against this derisive labeling issue for quite some time now. See, for example, Rensin's "The smug style in American liberalism" linked to on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12106004
    - coderdude 10y ago
      Interesting. I'll check it out.
      - throwanem 10y ago
        It's a good article. If modern progressivism were remotely at home to wisdom of the sort it offers, I wouldn't have cast a ballot for Trump today.
matwood 10y ago
For starters he didn't walk around calling them uneducated idiots like many on the left have and continue to do. Bernie and Trump are touching into the same underlying problem that a lot of people have been left behind. They have felt screwed by the system for awhile and this is what we get. Heck, Bernie supporters got screwed again during the primary. This is also only the start. Wait until we automate all fast food and driving jobs to see what a angry, jobless populace looks like.
- ant6n 10y ago
  Clinton called somebody idiots? I thought she only called Trump an idiot. Which doesn't seem like an unfair assessment. I mean as far as name-calling goes, I got the impression Hillary is doing almost none of that; whereas Trump was vicious.
  - flukus 10y ago
    Remember when she called them a "bag of deplorables"? Not that trump was exactly statesman like, but I don't remember him insulting Clinton supporters, just Clinton herself.
    - ant6n 10y ago
      “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. “Some of those folks,” she added, “they are irredeemable.”
basch 10y ago
for lack of better terms, relevantly speaking, doesnt collapsing robber baron portfolios reduce wealth inequality?

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basch 10y ago

This isnt a day of reckoning for the Left. He hijacked the GOP against its own will and destroyed the DNC. That's a collapse of two establishment parties, not one.