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Really not trying to start an OS war but for the sake of accuracy Android is the dominant mobile OS in Japan, not iPhone.

by b2600 10y ago

zepto 10y ago
If you aren't trying to start a war, please provide a citation to back this up so there can be no dispute.
- mattnumbe 10y ago
  3rd party citation after searching "dominant OS Japan" in google https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-japan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held... Android 64.6%
  - ralfd 10y ago
    Looking at the pattern: if the statistic would end in autumn instead of summer, then iOS could also have come up on top.
    - dismantlethesun 10y ago
      How can market share dramatically swing between 30% and 60% like it's doing in this chart? Is this bad data? Is the market expanding & contracting so greatly that existing users are a minority of future marketshare?
      - CountSessine 10y ago
        Most android phone owners don't use it as a smartphone - it's a cheap feature phone they buy at the phone store and they just use it to make calls on. The number of true 'smartphone users' in the android world who are using them to browse the web and download apps is comparable to or less than the number of iOS device owners.
        Oletros 10y ago
        > Most android phone owners don't use it as a smartphone - it's a cheap feature phone they buy at the phone store and they just use it to make calls on. Do you have a source for that?
        CountSessine 10y ago
        Yes - see above.
        Oletros 10y ago
        Where?
      - tho9Ohx1eo 10y ago
        > How can market share dramatically swing You pay for results?
      - diziet 10y ago
        The data is bad. I have a lot of insight into the apps side of things, and Android is somewhat smaller than iOS in Japan, both on revenue and downloads.
  - diziet 10y ago
    This data looks bad and not in line with other reports: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015 https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-201... http://techjapan.tumblr.com/post/42142826707/why-iphone-market-share-is-double-android-in http://techjapan.tumblr.com/post/42142826707/why-iphone-mark... According to our internal data which tallies tens of millions of app store installs on Android vs iOS, iOS both gets more downloads & revenue than Android in Japan.
    - Oletros 10y ago
      You have posted a link about web browsing and another from 2012. Do you gave a reliable report about marketshare because all reports tells that iOS have way less market share than Android in Japan
    - mattnumbe 10y ago
      I dont know why the data looks that wonky, but the graph that business insider uses (taken from Kantar) shows a similar pattern. http://www.businessinsider.my/apple-v-android-market-share-before-iphone-6s-2015-9/6/#UUxfFdDvJrfRY3wl.97 http://www.businessinsider.my/apple-v-android-market-share-b...
ralfd 10y ago
This is from last year, so could have changed, but Q4 2015 web traffic was 66% iOS vs 34% Android in Japan: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015 https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-201...
- sandworm101 10y ago
  If you are selling phones, Traffic /= market share. There is good reason to believe that iPhone users use more traffic. They are the premium phone and their users spend more. Similarly, app installs are also not market share for the same reason. There is even an argument that handset sales isn't market share, that the only real measure is to survey some people to see exactly what phones they own and use. That's the only way to include old phones that aren't used for much other than making calls.
  - wastedhours 10y ago
    Would traffic not be a good indicator of the parent's argument about that the iPhone is a replacement for a laptop? Based on the assumption most computer usage is internet-dependent now (a stretch, but not completely illogical), then a user with an Android device not connecting to the internet would probably need another device to do so?

Really not trying to start an OS war but for the sake of accuracy Android is the dominant mobile OS in Japan, not iPhone.

by b2600 10y ago

Really not trying to start an OS war but for the sake of accuracy Android is the dominant mobile OS in Japan, not iPhone.

zepto 10y ago

If you aren't trying to start a war, please provide a citation to back this up so there can be no dispute.

mattnumbe 10y ago
3rd party citation after searching "dominant OS Japan" in google https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held-by-smartphone-operating-systems-in-japan/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/260415/market-share-held... Android 64.6%
- ralfd 10y ago
  Looking at the pattern: if the statistic would end in autumn instead of summer, then iOS could also have come up on top.
  - dismantlethesun 10y ago
    How can market share dramatically swing between 30% and 60% like it's doing in this chart? Is this bad data? Is the market expanding & contracting so greatly that existing users are a minority of future marketshare?
    - CountSessine 10y ago
      Most android phone owners don't use it as a smartphone - it's a cheap feature phone they buy at the phone store and they just use it to make calls on. The number of true 'smartphone users' in the android world who are using them to browse the web and download apps is comparable to or less than the number of iOS device owners.
      - Oletros 10y ago
        > Most android phone owners don't use it as a smartphone - it's a cheap feature phone they buy at the phone store and they just use it to make calls on. Do you have a source for that?
        CountSessine 10y ago
        Yes - see above.
        Oletros 10y ago
        Where?
    - tho9Ohx1eo 10y ago
      > How can market share dramatically swing You pay for results?
    - diziet 10y ago
      The data is bad. I have a lot of insight into the apps side of things, and Android is somewhat smaller than iOS in Japan, both on revenue and downloads.
- diziet 10y ago
  This data looks bad and not in line with other reports: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015 https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-201... http://techjapan.tumblr.com/post/42142826707/why-iphone-market-share-is-double-android-in http://techjapan.tumblr.com/post/42142826707/why-iphone-mark... According to our internal data which tallies tens of millions of app store installs on Android vs iOS, iOS both gets more downloads & revenue than Android in Japan.
  - Oletros 10y ago
    You have posted a link about web browsing and another from 2012. Do you gave a reliable report about marketshare because all reports tells that iOS have way less market share than Android in Japan
  - mattnumbe 10y ago
    I dont know why the data looks that wonky, but the graph that business insider uses (taken from Kantar) shows a similar pattern. http://www.businessinsider.my/apple-v-android-market-share-before-iphone-6s-2015-9/6/#UUxfFdDvJrfRY3wl.97 http://www.businessinsider.my/apple-v-android-market-share-b...

ralfd 10y ago

This is from last year, so could have changed, but Q4 2015 web traffic was 66% iOS vs 34% Android in Japan: https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015 https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-201...

sandworm101 10y ago
If you are selling phones, Traffic /= market share. There is good reason to believe that iPhone users use more traffic. They are the premium phone and their users spend more. Similarly, app installs are also not market share for the same reason. There is even an argument that handset sales isn't market share, that the only real measure is to survey some people to see exactly what phones they own and use. That's the only way to include old phones that aren't used for much other than making calls.
- wastedhours 10y ago
  Would traffic not be a good indicator of the parent's argument about that the iPhone is a replacement for a laptop? Based on the assumption most computer usage is internet-dependent now (a stretch, but not completely illogical), then a user with an Android device not connecting to the internet would probably need another device to do so?