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Chelsea Manning Tried Committing Suicide a Second Time in October
- LargeCompanies 10y agoSo crazy... Snowden vs. Manning!!! Snowden is infamous and living a pretty good life vs. Manning who is doing everything to procure the same level of infamy thru acts of becoming a woman and many attempts at suicide. Though outside of this circle he or she is not infamous and living a terrible life. Crazy stuff but both broke the laws of our land just like Clinton has and probably Trump too. Yet they both live freely and prosper.. go figure.
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- pqm4n_ 10y agoLink to statement: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/04/us/document-chelsea-manning.html http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/04/us/document-ch... The military is terrifying.
- pqm4n_ 10y agoPDF here: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3213878/Binder2.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3213878/Binder2.p...
- jMyles 10y agoCan we stop bike-shedding over which parts to dismantle and at what time frames and actually get on with the process of deprecating this idiotic machine?
- JonFish85 10y agoI mean, if you're advocating just ditching this whole democracy / republic thing, that's probably a reasonable way forward. Unfortunately it's not as simple as that: Americans are pretty evenly split into thirds on whether the military is funded too much, just right or not enough[1]. [1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/181628/americans-split-defense-spending.aspx http://www.gallup.com/poll/181628/americans-split-defense-sp...
- knieveltech 10y agoI always find it amusing when people point their fingers at democracy over the failings of capitalism.
- mzw_mzw 10y agoWithout capitalism you wouldn't have an international communications network to moan about capitalism on.
- knieveltech 10y agoIncorrect. Initial research and construction of said network was a DoD project. Additional build-out of said network was handled largely by state run telecoms. You forget that privatization of the telecoms industry is a relatively recent occurrence. If anything, without capitalism access to the network would be substantially cheaper than it is today.
- jrockway 10y agoWhat's wrong with the criminal justice system in the US goes double for these special pseudo-legal military prisons. Chelsea is a non-violent criminal. All she really did was violate an NDA. Does anyone else go to prison for that? Is there a single civilian in solitary confinement for that? I used to think the United States was the example that other countries should try to achieve in terms of human rights. But in reality, we're a third-world banana republic with a little more cash than everyone else.
- JonFish85 10y ago"All she really did was violate an NDA." Regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum, this is making VERY light of the situation. It's a bit like saying going to the moon was really just getting out of a vehicle.
- kristopolous 10y agoAlright. She exposed warcrimes .
- grzm 10y agoI think you make some good points regarding the justice system, in particular the prison system, that are well worth discussing. I think your argument would be stronger if you didn't include inflammatory and inaccurate statements like "third-world banana republic". The US is neither a banana republic (a country which relies primarily on a single export), nor third world (a developing country, as distinguished from communist bloc or capitalist countries). If you have other working definitions of these terms, please let me know. I suspect I'm not the only reader that might interpret them in the way I describe. It makes it too easy for people to dismiss you and your argument when you use language like this. Please don't take this as a defense of the US! (Or an attack on the US either. I think it's very American to constructively criticize and work to improve the system.) I think there's a lot we can do to improve the US, particularly in the prison and criminal justice systems. Research into the psychological effects of solitary confinement go back to the 1860s, only 50 years after it was introduced in the US.
- wayn3 10y agoLand of the free. Where you "serve punishment" for trying to kill yourself.
- jMyles 10y agoOK, team. What is the best thing to do about this? I'm ready to take action.
- bdcravens 10y agoNote that the attempted suicide was reported by Chelsea, not the facility, and much of the statement really calls Chelsea's sanity into question: "On the night of Oct. 10, according to her statement, four people impersonating guards conducted an hourslong attack on the prison, during which she said she heard sounds indicating that the attackers were shooting and torturing her cellblock’s actual guards. These attackers tried to induce Ms. Manning to escape, she said in her statement. Instead, as the night unfolded, she hid in the corner of her cell, telling the impostors she knew they were not actual guards, it said. At 6 a.m. on Oct. 11, a regular shift of guards familiar to Ms. Manning arrived, and “everything returned to normal, except that several correctional specialists were deep cleaning the entirety of Alpha tier with Pine Sol and bleach,” the statement concluded."
- nutjobz 10y agoPrisoners are wards of the state. It is the duty of the state to care for its wards. If a prisoner has mental health problems the state must provide proper health care. It is unconscionable to just lock up people with mental health problems and leave them to suffer. It is not justice to make people sick or to let them suffer from their sickness.
- kingkawn 10y agoThere is not a prison in America that isn't locking up people with mental health problems and leaving them to suffer.
- nutjobz 10y agoProbably true. That still does not make it right. Nor a reason to keep on doing it. Prisoners should not be demonized to such an extent that they are denied health care, be it mental or other.
- grzm 10y agoCan you unpack this more? I can read this in many different ways. What specifically are you trying to convey?
- threatofrain 10y agoI think the armed forces community should consider Chelsea Manning as an interaction between a vulnerable psychology and stressful circumstances. I hope the armed forces recognizes that by employing such a large fraction of the population, that vulnerable soldiers are part of the deal. Bradley Manning was also placed under needless pressure to pass as a heterosexual because disclosure would mean discharge without college tuition benefits, along with cultural risk in a highly masculine environment. Despite recognizing that then Bradley Manning was experiencing visible distress and alarming behavior, Manning nevertheless continued in his position because he was providing valuable analysis that, according to his commanding officer, was saving lives. This put both Bradley Manning and potentially national or military interests at risk. And the risk struck and Bradley Manning paid a ruinous price. The armed forces has palpable shortcomings in comprehending or managing the full breadth of human diversity and potential which passes through their doors, and the consequence is that some Americans men and women go to hell for the sake of bad management and policy. The nation should seek to restore Chelsea Manning as an individual who belongs in the fabric of our people.