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I'm sorry, but why is that salary out of the question? Assuming he's actually worth his salt, he could make that at Google, probably easily, as an executive. Do

by cellis 10y ago

I'm sorry, but why is that salary out of the question? Assuming he's actually worth his salt, he could make that at Google, probably easily, as an executive. Do you propose replacing him with someone who's worse, simply because they're paid less?

Spooky23 10y ago
The CIO of most large US states, with dramatically more responsibility make less than $200k. Some make as little as $150k. Low risk, public sector jobs shouldn't be paid premium salaries.
zanny 10y ago
There is absolutely no way a university is able to accurately judge the valuation of its chief information office vs competition. And no business at scale ever operates that way. Once your enterprise (including schools) is old enough, and the politics drop the meritocracy, all it takes is knowing the right people to be guaranteed gratuitous compensation regardless of job performance. Even without that, the only way you are going to weigh alternative candidates for any chief officer position would be to poach from competing businesses with the same department chair titles. The market is so limited on people who ever get those kinds of jobs anywhere to begin with that it is unreasonable to expect to ever be able to accurately claim if they are or are not "worth it". Success is more about aligning with the overall vision of the business and not causing conflict more than individualized performance. You could be worth a tenth your salary but as long as the other officers like you and the board does too you are set as long as you don't break anything.
caminante 10y ago
Not only that, his comp (linked by parent) includes base + bonus for TWO positions -- VC and CIO -- which he currently holds.
njovin 10y ago
According to PayScale [1] he's making 3x the median for a CIO. In understand that $150k seems crazy low but even at the high end of those numbers he seems overcompensated. [1] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Information_Officer_(CIO)/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Information_Of...
- cellis 10y ago
  Again, maybe he's not a 'median' CIO. UCSF is one of the top medical schools in the country. Just because they're not a tech company doesn't mean they don't know how to compensate someone to run a mission critical IT infrastructure.
- caminante 10y ago
  1. He's not just CIO, he's also a Vice Chancellor. 2. Median pay for the US is a poor proxy. Using your same site, the median pay for Software Engineers is $80K/year. It doesn't reflect market (CA) or expertise (healthcare).
BurritoAlPastor 10y ago
Item one: if he were worth his salt, he wouldn't be replacing eighty sysadmins with offshore contractors. Item two: That is a staggering salary. UCSF is a school, not a major technology company. UCSF honestly doesn't _need_ a CIO who's worth half a million dollars a year.
- cellis 10y ago
  It's more than just a school, it has an extensive hospital system involved. How do you know what they need or not?
  - techman9 10y ago
    It's more of an extensive hospital system with a school involved.
    - toufka 10y ago
      While the 'school' is a biological powerhouse with immense amounts of and complicated and cutting edge genomic/biological data being produced daily. There are more professors than students at the 'school'.
  - dekhn 10y ago
    It's complicated. The school is actually part of UC, but the hospital system (UCSF Medical Center) is a separate company. Many people don't recall this but over a decade ago UCSF and Stanford merged their hospitals, renegotiated the contracts with their employees, then split the hospitals again.
xapata 10y ago
How about someone equally good that'll work for less pay (because they have fewer friends/credentials)?
- commentzorro 10y ago
  Yeah, how about an H-1B to replace his position.
manicdee 10y ago
If he was working at Google on that salary, would he be replacing skilled staff with H1 visas and teleworkers based in India?

by cellis 10y ago

Spooky23 10y ago

The CIO of most large US states, with dramatically more responsibility make less than $200k. Some make as little as $150k. Low risk, public sector jobs shouldn't be paid premium salaries.

zanny 10y ago

There is absolutely no way a university is able to accurately judge the valuation of its chief information office vs competition. And no business at scale ever operates that way. Once your enterprise (including schools) is old enough, and the politics drop the meritocracy, all it takes is knowing the right people to be guaranteed gratuitous compensation regardless of job performance. Even without that, the only way you are going to weigh alternative candidates for any chief officer position would be to poach from competing businesses with the same department chair titles. The market is so limited on people who ever get those kinds of jobs anywhere to begin with that it is unreasonable to expect to ever be able to accurately claim if they are or are not "worth it". Success is more about aligning with the overall vision of the business and not causing conflict more than individualized performance. You could be worth a tenth your salary but as long as the other officers like you and the board does too you are set as long as you don't break anything.

caminante 10y ago

Not only that, his comp (linked by parent) includes base + bonus for TWO positions -- VC and CIO -- which he currently holds.

njovin 10y ago

According to PayScale [1] he's making 3x the median for a CIO. In understand that $150k seems crazy low but even at the high end of those numbers he seems overcompensated. [1] http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Information_Officer_(CIO)/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Chief_Information_Of...

cellis 10y ago
Again, maybe he's not a 'median' CIO. UCSF is one of the top medical schools in the country. Just because they're not a tech company doesn't mean they don't know how to compensate someone to run a mission critical IT infrastructure.
caminante 10y ago
1. He's not just CIO, he's also a Vice Chancellor. 2. Median pay for the US is a poor proxy. Using your same site, the median pay for Software Engineers is $80K/year. It doesn't reflect market (CA) or expertise (healthcare).

BurritoAlPastor 10y ago

Item one: if he were worth his salt, he wouldn't be replacing eighty sysadmins with offshore contractors. Item two: That is a staggering salary. UCSF is a school, not a major technology company. UCSF honestly doesn't _need_ a CIO who's worth half a million dollars a year.

cellis 10y ago
It's more than just a school, it has an extensive hospital system involved. How do you know what they need or not?
- techman9 10y ago
  It's more of an extensive hospital system with a school involved.
  - toufka 10y ago
    While the 'school' is a biological powerhouse with immense amounts of and complicated and cutting edge genomic/biological data being produced daily. There are more professors than students at the 'school'.
- dekhn 10y ago
  It's complicated. The school is actually part of UC, but the hospital system (UCSF Medical Center) is a separate company. Many people don't recall this but over a decade ago UCSF and Stanford merged their hospitals, renegotiated the contracts with their employees, then split the hospitals again.

xapata 10y ago

How about someone equally good that'll work for less pay (because they have fewer friends/credentials)?

commentzorro 10y ago
Yeah, how about an H-1B to replace his position.

manicdee 10y ago

If he was working at Google on that salary, would he be replacing skilled staff with H1 visas and teleworkers based in India?