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> The minus is that it is Skylake It's not Skylake based anymore, please take updated x360 for this comparison http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Spectre-x360-13-

> The minus is that it is Skylake It's not Skylake based anymore, please take updated x360 for this comparison http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Spectre-x360-13-w023dx-Convertible-Review.180538.0.html http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Spectre-x360-13-w023dx-Conve... (7th Gen CPU, became a little lighter/smaller than prev generation, etc) It's convertible which is a good bonus. Don't forget to take into the account Dell's XPS well known coil whine issue, even latest generations still do have it http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-Notebook-Review.181471.0.html http://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-XPS-13-9360-QHD-i7-7500U-N... > System76 is the only other well known system builder that I know of that does this. System76 laptop doesn't have Thunderbolt 3 ports. > Interestingly from a developer perspective, the Dell XPS Developer edition comes with Ubuntu 16.04 SP1 out of the box so no Apple or Microsoft or Google tax. Isn't that neat? It's not a big deal to install Linux in your own, the distributive you need, not the Ubuntu (Ubuntu is not the best choice for developers in my opinion). So I really believe x360 is a better choice in all terms than XPS, I hope 15 inch model will also get update soon.

igravious 10y ago
The Linux pre-install is a big deal. Dell supports Linux on some configurations meaning the hardware works (or should work) out of the box. There have been issues which Dell resolves with bios updates. Linux is awesome but it can still be a bit of a crap shoot if you don't do your homework. Dell saves you that legwork. You make your case well sir. :) I agree that the newly updated HP x360 you point to is on a par with the Dell XPS in every way plus it has a convertible touchscreen. If you want touchscreen on the Dell XPS you have to go to the QHD+ (3200 x 1800) model. And that's hundreds of extra $ or €. If Linux works well with the latest HP x360 then I agree it seems like a better value proposition than the Dell XPS. I'd be very tempted! In the context of the article what is good though is that the Lenovo Yoga, HP Spectre, MS Surface Pro/Book†, and Dell XPS all offer excellent chassis build quality and I think they are genuine Macbook Pro competitors. We are spoilt for choice a bit now. † Not yet Thunderbolt 3 which will be a deal-breaker for most I suspect.
- vladimir-y 10y ago
  Lenovo doesn't have Thunderbolt 3, but XPS and x360 do have it (x360 have 2 TB3 ports), so Lenovo is not an option. Not sure MS Surface does have TB3 ports.
- vladimir-y 10y ago
  > The Linux pre-install is a big deal https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852468

igravious 10y ago

The Linux pre-install is a big deal. Dell supports Linux on some configurations meaning the hardware works (or should work) out of the box. There have been issues which Dell resolves with bios updates. Linux is awesome but it can still be a bit of a crap shoot if you don't do your homework. Dell saves you that legwork. You make your case well sir. :) I agree that the newly updated HP x360 you point to is on a par with the Dell XPS in every way plus it has a convertible touchscreen. If you want touchscreen on the Dell XPS you have to go to the QHD+ (3200 x 1800) model. And that's hundreds of extra $ or €. If Linux works well with the latest HP x360 then I agree it seems like a better value proposition than the Dell XPS. I'd be very tempted! In the context of the article what is good though is that the Lenovo Yoga, HP Spectre, MS Surface Pro/Book†, and Dell XPS all offer excellent chassis build quality and I think they are genuine Macbook Pro competitors. We are spoilt for choice a bit now. † Not yet Thunderbolt 3 which will be a deal-breaker for most I suspect.

vladimir-y 10y ago
Lenovo doesn't have Thunderbolt 3, but XPS and x360 do have it (x360 have 2 TB3 ports), so Lenovo is not an option. Not sure MS Surface does have TB3 ports.
vladimir-y 10y ago
> The Linux pre-install is a big deal https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12852468