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>Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dea

>Hotz's initial tweets suggested his move was in response to an inquiry from NHTSA, stating that he "would much rather spend life building amazing tech than dealing with regulators and lawyers," well, this is not some stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone). This can kill people, i can't seriously buy dangerous stuff from somebody that says something like this. What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine-industry by testing your headache-pills on your customers (those regulations are only slowing us down!)?

donmatito 10y ago
You would have won so much Irony Points if only you had written "Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine industry with revolutionary tests without sufficient scientific validation?"
- llukas 10y ago
  Let me introduce to you: Theranos
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  - ethbro 10y ago
    We all got that. ;)
- bertil 10y ago
  > Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Sounds like Menu Next Door, who had to deal with regulation meant for restaurants when trying to be the AirBnB of food. Things like you had to have a warning about washing your hands in your own private kitchen.
  - TylerE 10y ago
    It's a reference to Soylent.
psychometry 10y ago
>What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Boy do I have the product for you! Question: Do you like the color beige?
- WalterSear 10y ago
  I prefer the old school green, in the original formulation.
  - ethbro 10y ago
    Random historical reference on green: "anti-establish mint" has to be the best car color ever ('69-71, Ford). http://blog.macsautoparts.com/wild-paint-colors/ http://blog.macsautoparts.com/wild-paint-colors/
M_Grey 10y ago
> What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? So... Soylent? >Disrupting the medicine-industry... So... Theranos?
- krschultz 10y ago
  Only this would be worse. Someone can choose to buy Soylent or use Theranos for themselves and no one else gets hurt. If you a person buys a crappy self driving car system it could kill me, a totally unrelated person. I don't care how much of a libertarian you are, that's exactly the reason why we have regulations.
  - wolfgke 10y ago
    > I don't care how much of a libertarian you are Also ask how risk-averse/-taking the other side is.
  - M_Grey 10y ago
    I agree with you, I'm just pointing out that we're already in the age of profitable, harmful bullshit. As for me, I'm not one of those deluded fools who believes in the law of jungle, and that I wouldn't be dog food in that jungle.
    - hash-set 10y ago
      The law of the jungle is fine, but it won't preclude a shitty self-driving car from crashing through your living room and killing one of your kids. It's one thing to suffer harm to yourself, it is quite another to go through losing a child to something like that. I know, randomness, blah blah blah.
- bertil 10y ago
  Technically, Soylent abides by regulations: they sell flaxseed mixed with peas and oat (I think: I’m in Europe and eat Huel, which has mostly those). None of those are not well-known food sources. There are no regulation about claiming that eating nothing but that is safe; they should (at least, Huel does) have the recommended daily doses of each major molecule on the bag.
snickerbockers 10y ago
> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine-industry by testing your headache-pills on your customers (those regulations are only slowing us down!)? It would have been even worse than that because it could have potentially killed other people, too.
walrus01 10y ago
> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Soylent, disrupting my rectum since mid 2016.
prawn 10y ago
Even ignoring the safety aspect, people buying any remotely major product will have the expectation that it will ideally be supported for some time to come. e.g., buy a car and have the manufacturer around for long enough to help out with servicing, parts, etc.
- hash-set 10y ago
  Saturn, Saab...
  - Kadin 10y ago
    http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/ http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/ (ACDelco is a house brand of GM, similar to Chrysler's Mopar or Ford's Motorcraft.) The auto companies are an interesting example, because all of the major manufacturers have subsidiary organizations which exist just for parts manufacture, and all of them handle parts manufacturing and distribution for far longer than the original manufacturing run. While GM might only make a particular model car for a few years, ACDelco might continue to make consumable parts for it for decades, based on demand.
cm2187 10y ago
> stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone) It can leak very sensitive personal data. That won't hurt you physically but will surely have consequences. The problem is perhaps the lack of regulations in the web-app domain. Any amateur can call himself a programmer and many do.
- AsyncAwait 10y ago
  > The problem is perhaps the lack of regulations in the web-app domain. There are and perhaps should be more regulations about safeguarding personal information, which for websites would mean salting passwords etc., but I am glad there are no regulations regarding who can and cannot program as that would seriously hurt innovation. Maybe Linus wouldn't be able to program Linux? or Zuckerberg Facebook?
  - cm2187 10y ago
    The current pace of large data leaks is alarming and unsustainable. Any other industry that would fail so badly would be completely taken over by regulations. The silicon valley is only keeping its independence because until now politicians didn't really grasp the scope of the problem. But now that data leaks involve their own email, I suspect Washington is going to start paying attention. Yes, regulations do hurt innovation and also competition, it creates large barriers to entry (check how many new banking licenses are issued every years!). But the current state of infosec is just unacceptable. It's like if planes were falling from the sky every day.
seanp2k2 10y ago
We've already seen what happens there with Soylent

donmatito 10y ago

You would have won so much Irony Points if only you had written "Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine industry with revolutionary tests without sufficient scientific validation?"

llukas 10y ago
Let me introduce to you: Theranos
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- ethbro 10y ago
  We all got that. ;)
bertil 10y ago
> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Sounds like Menu Next Door, who had to deal with regulation meant for restaurants when trying to be the AirBnB of food. Things like you had to have a warning about washing your hands in your own private kitchen.
- TylerE 10y ago
  It's a reference to Soylent.

psychometry 10y ago

>What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Boy do I have the product for you! Question: Do you like the color beige?

WalterSear 10y ago
I prefer the old school green, in the original formulation.
- ethbro 10y ago
  Random historical reference on green: "anti-establish mint" has to be the best car color ever ('69-71, Ford). http://blog.macsautoparts.com/wild-paint-colors/ http://blog.macsautoparts.com/wild-paint-colors/

M_Grey 10y ago

> What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? So... Soylent? >Disrupting the medicine-industry... So... Theranos?

krschultz 10y ago
Only this would be worse. Someone can choose to buy Soylent or use Theranos for themselves and no one else gets hurt. If you a person buys a crappy self driving car system it could kill me, a totally unrelated person. I don't care how much of a libertarian you are, that's exactly the reason why we have regulations.
- wolfgke 10y ago
  > I don't care how much of a libertarian you are Also ask how risk-averse/-taking the other side is.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  I agree with you, I'm just pointing out that we're already in the age of profitable, harmful bullshit. As for me, I'm not one of those deluded fools who believes in the law of jungle, and that I wouldn't be dog food in that jungle.
  - hash-set 10y ago
    The law of the jungle is fine, but it won't preclude a shitty self-driving car from crashing through your living room and killing one of your kids. It's one thing to suffer harm to yourself, it is quite another to go through losing a child to something like that. I know, randomness, blah blah blah.
bertil 10y ago
Technically, Soylent abides by regulations: they sell flaxseed mixed with peas and oat (I think: I’m in Europe and eat Huel, which has mostly those). None of those are not well-known food sources. There are no regulation about claiming that eating nothing but that is safe; they should (at least, Huel does) have the recommended daily doses of each major molecule on the bag.

snickerbockers 10y ago

> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine-industry by testing your headache-pills on your customers (those regulations are only slowing us down!)? It would have been even worse than that because it could have potentially killed other people, too.

walrus01 10y ago

> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Soylent, disrupting my rectum since mid 2016.

prawn 10y ago

Even ignoring the safety aspect, people buying any remotely major product will have the expectation that it will ideally be supported for some time to come. e.g., buy a car and have the manufacturer around for long enough to help out with servicing, parts, etc.

hash-set 10y ago
Saturn, Saab...
- Kadin 10y ago
  http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/ http://parts-catalog.acdelco.com/ (ACDelco is a house brand of GM, similar to Chrysler's Mopar or Ford's Motorcraft.) The auto companies are an interesting example, because all of the major manufacturers have subsidiary organizations which exist just for parts manufacture, and all of them handle parts manufacturing and distribution for far longer than the original manufacturing run. While GM might only make a particular model car for a few years, ACDelco might continue to make consumable parts for it for decades, based on demand.

cm2187 10y ago

> stupid web-app that can't harm anyone even if it tried (except from maybe overheating your smartphone) It can leak very sensitive personal data. That won't hurt you physically but will surely have consequences. The problem is perhaps the lack of regulations in the web-app domain. Any amateur can call himself a programmer and many do.

AsyncAwait 10y ago
> The problem is perhaps the lack of regulations in the web-app domain. There are and perhaps should be more regulations about safeguarding personal information, which for websites would mean salting passwords etc., but I am glad there are no regulations regarding who can and cannot program as that would seriously hurt innovation. Maybe Linus wouldn't be able to program Linux? or Zuckerberg Facebook?
- cm2187 10y ago
  The current pace of large data leaks is alarming and unsustainable. Any other industry that would fail so badly would be completely taken over by regulations. The silicon valley is only keeping its independence because until now politicians didn't really grasp the scope of the problem. But now that data leaks involve their own email, I suspect Washington is going to start paying attention. Yes, regulations do hurt innovation and also competition, it creates large barriers to entry (check how many new banking licenses are issued every years!). But the current state of infosec is just unacceptable. It's like if planes were falling from the sky every day.

seanp2k2 10y ago

We've already seen what happens there with Soylent