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To me, the touch bar is the lesser of the two sins that Apple committed with these pro models. So many of your 'typical' mac users need a proper keyboard. Peop

by exergy 10y ago

To me, the touch bar is the lesser of the two sins that Apple committed with these pro models. So many of your 'typical' mac users need a proper keyboard. People writing long articles or novels, developers, obviously, even people working on writing reports or theses they all need a good keyboard. Typing is fundamental, and key travel makes a huge difference in the feel of it. Every review I've read of the single-port macbook suggests that while you can get sort of used to it, it's never as good as the older macbooks.

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rahkiin 10y ago
The key travel in the new MBP is larger than in the singleport MB, as per presentation.
- pritambaral 10y ago
  By how much though? Knowing Apple, it might be larger by only 0.1mm. That wouldn't afford any noticeable benefit though.
piva00 10y ago
People writing long articles or novels don't run a MBP, they used the Air or now the normal MacBook, you don't need a Pro machine for that.
- pritambaral 10y ago
  > or now the normal MacBook Which also has the same Butterfly keyboard, or rather the previous version of it; and according to Apple, a less "better" version of it.
- idlewords 10y ago
  People who work on pro machines do a lot of writing. I'm ready to bet that everyone in this thread does a lot of writing. Note that the keyboard on the MacBook is even worse than the one on the new MBP.
  - piva00 10y ago
    I'm not disputing that, I just stated that writers/novelists don't use a MBP, I'm not defending Apple on this, just stating a fact. And it's a sad state of affairs in HN when I get downvoted for that, felt like I'm on Reddit now.
    - idlewords 10y ago
      I am a writer, and I am having this argument with you in writing on a MacBook Pro.
      - piva00 10y ago
        But do you need the hardware of the MBP for that or was it a personal choice? If we are free to use anecdotes I will base my evaluation on two friends who are copywriters and another one who's a tech writer. All of them using an Air or a normal MacBook for the work they do. I'm curious on what your usage is as a writer for paying a premium on the Pro, care to elaborate? P.S.: English is not my native language and I'm really trying to not sound condescending, I'm genuinely curious.
        idlewords 10y ago
        I happen to be a developer as well, so I want a machine I can travel with that's powerful enough to get everything done when I'm remote, and can drive a big external monitor when I'm home. But for people who are writers and nothing else, I think the retina display was a big draw when the machine first came out. The point I was trying to make above is that people who code, or use a pro laptop for editing or whatnot, still have to do a lot of writing as part of their job. So the keyboard on these machines matters a lot. And pro-users tend to be on their laptops all the time, which makes the ergonomic issues more important.
        piva00 10y ago
        So this was quite misleading, as a developer myself I completely understand why you'd want a MBP but I was explicitly referring to writing-only work...
- Veen 10y ago
  I'm a writer. I write around about 2000 words a day, and I'll be getting the new MacBook Pro for a few reasons: - The screen is better than the Air. That matters when you're staring at it for 8 hours a day. - However over-priced the MacBook Pro is, that goes double for the small MacBook. It's just too expensive for what you get. - I want to be able to run photoshop and have it deal with the RAW files from my Sony A6000, My current machine — a 2012 MBA — can't manage it without becoming a noisy radiator. - If I'm paying top dollar for a laptop, I want it to last for at least four years, and I don't see the small MacBook satisfying me for that length of time with its current resource limitations. - The extra screen real estate might not seem like much, but when I want my work and a browser next to each other, it makes a difference. Unusually for writers, I use Vim, and the lack of a hardware Escape is a small concern, but I've remapped it anyway, so I don't think it will pose much of a problem. The keyboard also worries me, but I've played with the smaller MacBook and It's OK, not awesome but I can deal with it. Edit: Of course, I could just buy a Windows laptop, but I haven't used Windows regularly for about fifteen years. I used Linux for about a decade, and then OS X. I won't move to Windows, and I'm too busy for the sort of fiddling Linux generally requires. Plus, I'm not a of fan of any current Linux UI — none have the polish of MacOS. So, in addition to everything else, MacOS is a big factor in my sticking with Apple.
  - kirbyfan64sos 10y ago
    As a side note, if you really dislike the current Linux UIs, you may like Elementary OS (https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/). It's UI took a lot of design cues from Mac OS and Chrome OS.

by exergy 10y ago

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rahkiin 10y ago

The key travel in the new MBP is larger than in the singleport MB, as per presentation.

pritambaral 10y ago
By how much though? Knowing Apple, it might be larger by only 0.1mm. That wouldn't afford any noticeable benefit though.

piva00 10y ago

People writing long articles or novels don't run a MBP, they used the Air or now the normal MacBook, you don't need a Pro machine for that.

pritambaral 10y ago
> or now the normal MacBook Which also has the same Butterfly keyboard, or rather the previous version of it; and according to Apple, a less "better" version of it.
idlewords 10y ago
People who work on pro machines do a lot of writing. I'm ready to bet that everyone in this thread does a lot of writing. Note that the keyboard on the MacBook is even worse than the one on the new MBP.
- piva00 10y ago
  I'm not disputing that, I just stated that writers/novelists don't use a MBP, I'm not defending Apple on this, just stating a fact. And it's a sad state of affairs in HN when I get downvoted for that, felt like I'm on Reddit now.
  - idlewords 10y ago
    I am a writer, and I am having this argument with you in writing on a MacBook Pro.
    - piva00 10y ago
      But do you need the hardware of the MBP for that or was it a personal choice? If we are free to use anecdotes I will base my evaluation on two friends who are copywriters and another one who's a tech writer. All of them using an Air or a normal MacBook for the work they do. I'm curious on what your usage is as a writer for paying a premium on the Pro, care to elaborate? P.S.: English is not my native language and I'm really trying to not sound condescending, I'm genuinely curious.
      - idlewords 10y ago
        I happen to be a developer as well, so I want a machine I can travel with that's powerful enough to get everything done when I'm remote, and can drive a big external monitor when I'm home. But for people who are writers and nothing else, I think the retina display was a big draw when the machine first came out. The point I was trying to make above is that people who code, or use a pro laptop for editing or whatnot, still have to do a lot of writing as part of their job. So the keyboard on these machines matters a lot. And pro-users tend to be on their laptops all the time, which makes the ergonomic issues more important.
        piva00 10y ago
        So this was quite misleading, as a developer myself I completely understand why you'd want a MBP but I was explicitly referring to writing-only work...
Veen 10y ago
I'm a writer. I write around about 2000 words a day, and I'll be getting the new MacBook Pro for a few reasons: - The screen is better than the Air. That matters when you're staring at it for 8 hours a day. - However over-priced the MacBook Pro is, that goes double for the small MacBook. It's just too expensive for what you get. - I want to be able to run photoshop and have it deal with the RAW files from my Sony A6000, My current machine — a 2012 MBA — can't manage it without becoming a noisy radiator. - If I'm paying top dollar for a laptop, I want it to last for at least four years, and I don't see the small MacBook satisfying me for that length of time with its current resource limitations. - The extra screen real estate might not seem like much, but when I want my work and a browser next to each other, it makes a difference. Unusually for writers, I use Vim, and the lack of a hardware Escape is a small concern, but I've remapped it anyway, so I don't think it will pose much of a problem. The keyboard also worries me, but I've played with the smaller MacBook and It's OK, not awesome but I can deal with it. Edit: Of course, I could just buy a Windows laptop, but I haven't used Windows regularly for about fifteen years. I used Linux for about a decade, and then OS X. I won't move to Windows, and I'm too busy for the sort of fiddling Linux generally requires. Plus, I'm not a of fan of any current Linux UI — none have the polish of MacOS. So, in addition to everything else, MacOS is a big factor in my sticking with Apple.
- kirbyfan64sos 10y ago
  As a side note, if you really dislike the current Linux UIs, you may like Elementary OS (https://elementary.io/ https://elementary.io/). It's UI took a lot of design cues from Mac OS and Chrome OS.