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People are mostly concerned about: - 16GB max RAM - Function keys Personally I am only concerned about the RAM, I don't use the function keys ever and I can

People are mostly concerned about: - 16GB max RAM - Function keys Personally I am only concerned about the RAM, I don't use the function keys ever and I can remap another key to replace ESC. I would have gladly forked over for a 32GB MBP, instead I just ordered an i7 ThinkPad x220, extra RAM and an SSD to see if I can do my day to day work on it before buying a top spec non-Apple X86 laptop.

nvk 10y ago
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- lucisferre 10y ago
  You can and I do and have for years. This is becoming the most tired criticism around here regarding the new Pros.
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  - freehunter 10y ago
    Not to mention the Esc and function keys still exist.
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- matt_wulfeck 10y ago
  Me neither. Thankfully the 13 inch mode doesn't have a toxh strip so the upgrade is clear.
  - abhinavk 10y ago
    The 13-inch model has only two USB-C ports instead of four.
    - sigjuice 10y ago
      It is actually less than two USB-C ports. There is no separate power port.
- santaclaus 10y ago
  ctrl + [ changed my vi life.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    You can be happy to be using a keyboard layout where that is an option. As far as I can see, I cannot type ^[ on a German QWERTZ because [ is AltGr+8. AltGr apparently takes precedence over Ctrl, so Ctrl+AltGr+8 still produces "[".
dorfsmay 10y ago
Interesting tidbit, the x260, which is the current version of what the x220 was, has a limit of... 16 GB memory.
- sjtgraham 10y ago
  I know. I'd most likely buy a Dell XPS.
  - perfectstorm 10y ago
    I don't see a 32GB XPS on their site.
    - will_hughes 10y ago
      Dell XPS 13" (9350) goes up to 16GB - soldered on, not upgradable. Dell XPS 15" (9550) goes up to 32GB - upgradable after purchase with 2x memory slots. e: Links for the 15" with 32GB: Dell Australia: http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&... Dell USA: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-laptop/dncwx1609h http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-la...
      - dorfsmay 10y ago
        I have to had a TrackPoint (so no Dell for me), and I like smaller, 13 inches laptop. From what I have found, 16 GB is the maximum that exists.
        pravula 10y ago
        Some Dell models do have trackpoints. for example, http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e5570-laptop/pd http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e5570-laptop/pd
  - blitzd 10y ago
    You're probably better off with alienware for processing power and hardcore specs, unless you're doing CAD and need the certified drivers/hardware. Workstation model laptops have a huge markup, and gaming models often meet or beat their specs for less.
greggman 10y ago
My number one consern was weight. I've been carrying my MBP for the last 3 years working out of coffee shops and co-working spaces. I'm tired of lugging around 4.5 lbs. Especially when there are 2 lbs 15 inch notebooks. Apple lowered the weight .3 lbs to 4.1, still double the lightest 15 incher.
- grzm 10y ago
  Out of curiosity, what's the lightest 15-incher you refer to? How do they compare in terms of spec? I'm particularly interested in the materials used in construction. Which MBP do you have?
  - greggman 10y ago
    I have a 2014 15" MBP maxed out. LG makes a 15" 2.1 lbs laptop. The case is made of magnesium alloy. The specs aren't as good as a MBP but that's not really the point. The point is NOT that I want the LG. The point is that it seems possible to make the MBP much lighter. Examples: An i7 doesn't weigh pounds more than an i5. 32gig of ram does not weight pounds more than 8gig of ram. 2TB SSD does not weigh pounds more than 512GB SSD. I have no idea if a 15" HD-DPI display weighs a lot more than a 15" 1920 display weighs. The LG even has all standard ports 4 USB-A type plugs, HDMI, etc. There was no need to make it thinner and switch to USB-C mini to get the weight down. So that basically seems to leave battery, second GPU, case, fans, maybe keyboard and display as what's making the MBP stay heavy. I guess I tend to believe the LG with the same specs as the MBP would be at least 1 pound lighter than the current MPB
- snoman 10y ago
  Not sure how to say this without sounding offensive, but that seems you're very finicky, have some extreme environmental/situational requirements or like you have a medical condition resulting in serious physical weakness. Your body will naturally fluctuate double that in a day without your knowing.
  - woah 10y ago
    Real men have huge computers
colejohnson66 10y ago
It's worth mentioning that because they use Skylake, they have two options for memory: LPDDR3 and DDR4. For lower power consumption, they went with LPDDR3, and the controller only supports up to 16 GB. When Phil Schiller says they can't do 32 GB because of power consumption, he's referring to DDR4 requiring more power.

nvk 10y ago

lucisferre 10y ago
You can and I do and have for years. This is becoming the most tired criticism around here regarding the new Pros.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- freehunter 10y ago
  Not to mention the Esc and function keys still exist.
deleted 10y ago
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matt_wulfeck 10y ago
Me neither. Thankfully the 13 inch mode doesn't have a toxh strip so the upgrade is clear.
- abhinavk 10y ago
  The 13-inch model has only two USB-C ports instead of four.
  - sigjuice 10y ago
    It is actually less than two USB-C ports. There is no separate power port.
santaclaus 10y ago
ctrl + [ changed my vi life.
- majewsky 10y ago
  You can be happy to be using a keyboard layout where that is an option. As far as I can see, I cannot type ^[ on a German QWERTZ because [ is AltGr+8. AltGr apparently takes precedence over Ctrl, so Ctrl+AltGr+8 still produces "[".

dorfsmay 10y ago

Interesting tidbit, the x260, which is the current version of what the x220 was, has a limit of... 16 GB memory.

sjtgraham 10y ago
I know. I'd most likely buy a Dell XPS.
- perfectstorm 10y ago
  I don't see a 32GB XPS on their site.
  - will_hughes 10y ago
    Dell XPS 13" (9350) goes up to 16GB - soldered on, not upgradable. Dell XPS 15" (9550) goes up to 32GB - upgradable after purchase with 2x memory slots. e: Links for the 15" with 32GB: Dell Australia: http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&... Dell USA: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-laptop/dncwx1609h http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-la...
    - dorfsmay 10y ago
      I have to had a TrackPoint (so no Dell for me), and I like smaller, 13 inches laptop. From what I have found, 16 GB is the maximum that exists.
      - pravula 10y ago
        Some Dell models do have trackpoints. for example, http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e5570-laptop/pd http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e5570-laptop/pd
- blitzd 10y ago
  You're probably better off with alienware for processing power and hardcore specs, unless you're doing CAD and need the certified drivers/hardware. Workstation model laptops have a huge markup, and gaming models often meet or beat their specs for less.

greggman 10y ago

My number one consern was weight. I've been carrying my MBP for the last 3 years working out of coffee shops and co-working spaces. I'm tired of lugging around 4.5 lbs. Especially when there are 2 lbs 15 inch notebooks. Apple lowered the weight .3 lbs to 4.1, still double the lightest 15 incher.

grzm 10y ago
Out of curiosity, what's the lightest 15-incher you refer to? How do they compare in terms of spec? I'm particularly interested in the materials used in construction. Which MBP do you have?
- greggman 10y ago
  I have a 2014 15" MBP maxed out. LG makes a 15" 2.1 lbs laptop. The case is made of magnesium alloy. The specs aren't as good as a MBP but that's not really the point. The point is NOT that I want the LG. The point is that it seems possible to make the MBP much lighter. Examples: An i7 doesn't weigh pounds more than an i5. 32gig of ram does not weight pounds more than 8gig of ram. 2TB SSD does not weigh pounds more than 512GB SSD. I have no idea if a 15" HD-DPI display weighs a lot more than a 15" 1920 display weighs. The LG even has all standard ports 4 USB-A type plugs, HDMI, etc. There was no need to make it thinner and switch to USB-C mini to get the weight down. So that basically seems to leave battery, second GPU, case, fans, maybe keyboard and display as what's making the MBP stay heavy. I guess I tend to believe the LG with the same specs as the MBP would be at least 1 pound lighter than the current MPB
snoman 10y ago
Not sure how to say this without sounding offensive, but that seems you're very finicky, have some extreme environmental/situational requirements or like you have a medical condition resulting in serious physical weakness. Your body will naturally fluctuate double that in a day without your knowing.
- woah 10y ago
  Real men have huge computers

colejohnson66 10y ago

It's worth mentioning that because they use Skylake, they have two options for memory: LPDDR3 and DDR4. For lower power consumption, they went with LPDDR3, and the controller only supports up to 16 GB. When Phil Schiller says they can't do 32 GB because of power consumption, he's referring to DDR4 requiring more power.