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I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.

by mzw_mzw 10y ago

ls66 10y ago
Her campaign staff certainly cared about this issue.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  It's their job to care about this issue.
ethanbond 10y ago
Swing voters are exactly who would care, as they should. Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...
michaelmrose 10y ago
Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares." People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.
  - Armisael16 10y ago
    Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-just-voting-against-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.
      - Armisael16 10y ago
        56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 If this is real, it can be duplicated.
        Armisael16 10y ago
        ...that confidence level isn't from the campaign. That's just how confidence is calculated. The z score for 95% confidence is 1.96, so the range is: 1.96sqrt(0.56*(1-0.56)/871) ~ 3.3%
        gragas 10y ago
        We aren't talking about the true population though. You can't use z-scores, not that it would make a huge difference. FiveThirtyEight is extremely biased however, and greatly oversamples Democrats.
- kreneskyp 10y ago
  Back that assertion up with polling data. The polls I've seen show the opposite. edit: referring to the claim that Clinton voters aren't voting for clinton

I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.

by mzw_mzw 10y ago

I agree, it is! But that still doesn't mean people (or, at least, swing voters) actually care.

ls66 10y ago

Her campaign staff certainly cared about this issue.

mzw_mzw 10y ago
It's their job to care about this issue.

ethanbond 10y ago

Swing voters are exactly who would care, as they should. Edit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hillary-clintons-botched-handing-of-her-email-server-is-why-this-race-is-even-close/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...

michaelmrose 10y ago

Voting for trump has got to be more loathsome to most that putting up with Clinton's shenanigans.

cmdrfred 10y ago
It seems few people are actually voting for Clinton, but rather voting against Trump. What is something like this leaves such a bad taste in their mouth that they decide to not vote at all?
- ethanbond 10y ago
  This is definitely the risk. Especially with so many Dems saying "no one cares." People do care; the way for leftists (like myself) to show that they care is by simply abstaining or going third party which would obviously cripple her.
- Armisael16 10y ago
  Your gut's wrong on this one: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-just-voting-against-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-voters-arent-jus... Most Clinton voters are voting for her, not against Trump.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    A single phone poll of "a random national sample of 874 likely voters" (1 in every 350 thousand) does not a fact make in a nation of 300 million people. Sample size is just too small. Such a study would have to be repeated with a larger sample.
    - Armisael16 10y ago
      56% ± 3.3% at 95% confidence isn't good enough for you?
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        They are pulling the confidence level out of their asses. The Clinton campaign has been playing with the polling since the start of this campaign. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551 If this is real, it can be duplicated.
        Armisael16 10y ago
        ...that confidence level isn't from the campaign. That's just how confidence is calculated. The z score for 95% confidence is 1.96, so the range is: 1.96sqrt(0.56*(1-0.56)/871) ~ 3.3%
        gragas 10y ago
        We aren't talking about the true population though. You can't use z-scores, not that it would make a huge difference. FiveThirtyEight is extremely biased however, and greatly oversamples Democrats.
kreneskyp 10y ago
Back that assertion up with polling data. The polls I've seen show the opposite. edit: referring to the claim that Clinton voters aren't voting for clinton